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IcantTHINKofONE

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Oops. I thought I could cycle a saltwater tank (my 20 gallon Q tank) with some hardy fish as I cycle my freshwater tank. I got 3 damsels to cycle it and they all died this week. Does anyone have any advice on cycling a tank without using live fish? I've heard of the table shrimp method but is it really slow? And should the tank be cycled in the dark or with the lights on the timer as if there were fish?
 

Len

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Cycling a tank is incredibly easy (fresh or salt) ..... as easy as throwing any nitrogenous load into an aquarium. One does not need to cycle with fish. Dead Shrimp works just as well. Skimmate works fine. Fish food works great. Fact is, anything with assimiliated nitrogen will kick start the N cycle. Key is patience. I would wait 8 weeks for the aquarium to stabilize before introducing general livestock, even if the N cycle is established prior to 8 weeks. Of course, introduce livestock slowly over the course of several months/years. The number one rule of reefkeeping is patience. If you have none, you should shop around for another hobby ;)

Light doesn't have a significant impact on the N cycle. However, one good reason to cycle with the lights off is to curb initial algae blooms.
 

danmhippo

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If you have LR in the tank, you will probably not needing any added food to kick start nitrogen cycle. Die-off's from LR are usually sufficient for the purpose.
 

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I use Live Rock to cycle my tank and it works like a charm! (plus it's really hard too flush)!

P.S. Please don't kill anymore animals and cycle your tank as if it was fully up and running!
 

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Somewhere I heard that we should only put something like 2 inches of fish per 10 gallons in a saltwater tank. Three damsels would seem like a whole lotta fish.

Somebody's Signature here says "Money will get you trinkery, but patience builds a reef."
 

danmhippo

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Mad Tart":2p5m5wtb said:
cant you cycle with cleaners like hermits and shrimps.. without killing them?

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They are equally as vulnerable to toxic ammonia and nitrite as any living organism. The key we are stressing is to reduce un-necessary stressful environment for all critters you intend to keep.
 

Mad Tart

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Ah thank you.. Don't remember where I read that but I was curious if they were really that much more hardy than other fishes. Frankly I wouldn't want to kill anything to get my tank started. :)

Mad Tart
 

IcantTHINKofONE

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aquarist=broke":2y1x7ncb said:
Somewhere I heard that we should only put something like 2 inches of fish per 10 gallons in a saltwater tank. Three damsels would seem like a whole lotta fish.

The damsels were about an inch to an inch and a quarter big each. So at most that's 4 inches.
 

IcantTHINKofONE

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My plan was to fill the tank with water than add live rock onto the bare glass (referring to my show tank). I was then going to add the DSB and seed it. Should I wait until the tank is fully cycled before adding the sand?
 

Len

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Your approach sounds fine to me. Although most people add live rock and sand at the same time with great success, your method is ok. <edit> I do agree with danmhippo that the sand also requires time to be innoculated with nitrifying and denitrifying bacteria. If you're gonna do the stepped approach, expect to wait much longer then if you introduced rock and sand at the same.</edit>

Inch per gallon rule doesn't work. It negates many critical variables, such as behavior and metabolism.
 

danmhippo

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No, Add sand and LR at same time. Sand need time to cycle as well as LR. You can cycle both at same waiting period, instead of 8 weeks for LR, then another 8 weeks for the sand. It is recommended for you to add sand to the tank, then LR on top of the sand.
 

aquarist=broke

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I suppose the inch per gallon rule really doesn't have a practical use, but for me, It held my desires to purchase more fish at bay. I probably would have overloaded my tank if I just put what looked pretty.

I always wait at least two weeks before I add a new thing. Regardless if it is a piece of rock or animal.....

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IcantTHINKofONE

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danmhippo":221pnf7w said:
No, Add sand and LR at same time. Sand need time to cycle as well as LR. You can cycle both at same waiting period, instead of 8 weeks for LR, then another 8 weeks for the sand. It is recommended for you to add sand to the tank, then LR on top of the sand.
dan, when should I seed the DSB with all those live goodies they sell at places like inland aquaria and ISPF?
 

IcantTHINKofONE

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Sorry, Carpentersreef. Wouldn't have done it if I had known. I should have found out before adding those damsels.
So how about seeding the sand? Before or after the N cycle?
 

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