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range, if he looks like the one in that first picture he looks like a common serpent star? I have 2 (both reddish), they are model citizens and are easy to keep full. If anything I have to work to make sure he can get his tidbits of squid/mussel before the shrimp take off with them. I suppose anything is possible but this is the first I've heard about anything other than the 'dreaded green brittle star' being a danger too fish. If you have lots of polyp corals sometimes they blunder over them getting to food or mine laze about with arms on them but not not a predator IME.

Actually I wonder if I could get a big green brittle star to live with my mantis.
 

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_range_":1uj4nsqr said:
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Dizzy, what part of pg 316? OP check this - http://www.geocities.com/gaweinrod/starpolice.html


Top on 316. Don't quit your day job to become a detective.

What do you want me to look at? The breeding of Ophiorachna incrassata??

range,

Yeah that's it. Admittedly it is slightly off topic but I couldn't pass on the chance to get a couple of smiley faces.

Mitch
 

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The picture shown (on the link) is far from an unidentified member of the family Ophiuridae, but a member of the common shallow water (and very common in the trade) family Ophiodermatidae. I have two. Though rather aggressive when it comes to feeding, it doesn't seem like they deserve a death sentence (nor does Ophiarachna for that matter). It is commonly sold in the trade, and I again have to question why an LFS owner would randomly kill it.

There are very few unidentified members in the family Ophiuridae in the trade (I assume they are using an older classification). The only genus in that former family that is a common large shallow water genus available in the trade is Ophiolepis, a genus that was part of my dissertation. Ophiolepis superba is commonly available:

http://ozreef.org/directory/echinoderma ... perba.html

The common hitchhikers are also not in that family, but difficult for a lay person to identify otherwise. Odds are, though I don't have the book available, that they went for a common trash can family like the Ophiuridae.

The attached photo is a common species of Ophioderma as well. Brownish serpent star (that I assume is relatively large) is, in all likelihood, a member of this genus. It will have 4 openings in each interradius (the area between the arms), a primary diagnostic character for the genus. Are there any other markings?

Must run...will be back later.
 

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madrefkepr":3tfd5ep6 said:
Ophiuroid,
Incredible pictures! Not knowing anything about brittlestars, I am curious as to how it could survive such a thing. And secondly, you said it was probably due to feeding injuries. Care to elaborate?

This external part of their skeleton is made up of small flat calcium carbonate plates that can be grown very quickly in order to close up many of these injuries. This, I believe, is why I had many problems with my dissertation :D Much of the external anatomy of brittlestars is very similar or convergent, because you don't spend time growing big elaborate plates to close such a wound. These crystals grow quite fast.

As far as feeding injuries are concerned, that is the result of brittlestars eating large meals, that are potentially sharp. In this case, the food pokes through the disk, causing a large hole. The brittlestar has a very elastic disk, but there is a limit to it. It is related to "distended disk syndrome" (and handy scientific way to say it ate too much, also experienced by humans after major eating holidays such as Thanksgiving and Christmas). I believe it is the major cause for otherwise unexplained large holes in the disk of brittlestars, something that is fairly common in the trade.

For some pictures, see the Tabloids section of my (being revamped) site....go to "stomach aches."

http://home.att.net/~ophiuroid/html/tabloids.html

A REALLY cool fact that may be related to the prevention of disease after such injuries, is that ophiuroids possess a wide array of symbiotic bacteria with rather remarkable (and potentially groundbreaking) abilities. I expect that even people who don't like brittlestars (not thinking of anyone in particular :D :lol:) will someday sing the praises of these lowly creatures that some people step on for fun ;)

from Academic Press Daily InSCIght, 7 MAY 1997

New Drugs from the Stars

Miami Beach--The brittle star, a long-armed relative of the starfish, has a remarkable ability to regenerate a severed limb without displaying any signs of infection. Now researchers know how it performs this infection-defying feat: Symbiotic bacteria living within the animal produce compounds that stifle potentially harmful
pathogens. These compounds might be potential candidates for antibiotic drugs. Marine physiologist Bill Dobson, of Appalachian State University in Boone, North Carolina, was intrigued by the brittle star's ability to withstand serious injury. "They never become infected, even though their environment is full of pathogens," Dobson says. On closer inspection, he discovered a thin layer of bacteria living between the brittle star's protective cuticle and inner skin layer. Dobson reported at the annual meeting of the American Society for Microbiology here that electron-micrograph pictures of a wounded brittle star revealed bacteria completely covering the wound within 1 to 2 hours after an injury. After swabbing the wounds, Dobson found 59 distinct assemblages of bacteria. Lab tests suggest that at least 10 species of bacteria may be living within the brittle star, says Eileen Stahl, a graduate student who works with Dobson. When Stahl grew these samples in petri dishes, most of them prevented growth of the bacteria responsible for pneumonia, staphylococcal skin infections, salmonella, diphtheria, and in some cases, anthrax. At least four samples completely killed many of the pathogens. Despite the initial success, the compounds face a long road to market as antibiotics. For starters, Dobson and his crew must identify the bacteria and the compounds they produce, says Peter McCarthy, head of biomedical research at the Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institution in Fort Pierce, Florida. The compounds would then have to be tested against infectious bacteria in living
organisms.

Hopefully this satisfies my cool link quota for the day. The bacteria one is one of my "big guns" that I save for really special threads ;)
 

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good god!

anyway on the topic regarding Ophiocoma ssp.

yeah, I've noticed they can heal rather nicely, I have a Linckia Guildingi which seems to got some salt fallen in the tank and on its body (by the way of salt creep) the skin seemed to 'burst' and sort like insides come out, which really disapointed me, but in 3 days it was healed over and all orange again, but still if you look, its noticable it has a bit of scarry look on its skin, which I think will heal in a few months to its old smooth skin, considering how fast it healed.

I have a total of approx 8 Ophiocoma ssp. in my tank, maybe more, I dont know, I tend to find em, some people just get rid of em, I take it. I like em myself, I find the serpents a bit amusing sometimes, when the food first hit the water at 10:00 every night, I can bet my last dollar that the starfishes WILL come out and feed, go everywhere, fast and furious.

Saw one serpent fight over a bit of meat with a peppermint shrimp, the starfish won easily, but the starfish held the peppermint by its legs with its arms and ate with the other arm, when it was done it let go.

comical a bit sometimes.





aquarist=broke":2v941mth said:
ophiuroid":2v941mth said:
You have to take the good with the bad.

Try telling that to suckair and his aptasia: :eek:
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Ha. Don't make me call in my cnidarian friends. :lol: Hmmm. And two tangs in that tank too....hmmm. Just how big IS that tank, huh??? :D :D

I don't know, that has almost reached the point where it kinda looks nice. All of those tentacles swaying in the current and all. From a distance, they look like nice yellow polyps. He needs to find a really bad LFS and start trading them in as frags.

There is/was a tank at the National Zoo invert house (which is tucked away in the back, unfortunately) that was packed full of Ophiocoma brittlestars, all waving their little arms about. They would use it to demonstrate their chemosensory abilities. They would put a shrimp in one side of the tank, and it was just a free for all to get at it. I don't know how I would deal with that. Mine are like toddlers. I had to divide tanks- the more aggressive from the more docile to make sure they all get fed.
 

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