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Minh Nguyen

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My beautiful 4 year old tank went down in flame on Sunday 6/8/2003. The whole tank died except 5 Ocellaris clowns, three Clown Gobies, my large 22 inches T. gigas, and a few LPS. Gone are about 35+ fishes, 19 clams, M. magnifica (two clones), my beautiful Rose anemone, and two other anemones, all my SPS and a few of my LPS. Also gone are two Bristle worms that are three feet long and thousands of other tank life. The tank was a total lost. My surviving lives went to friend tanks or LFS.

What happened was very simple but I there were a sequence of events that happened at the right time that crashed the tank. On Sunday afternoon/evening, I change about 100 g out of the 550 g system. All the water has being mixed 1 week ago and well aged and aerated. I also tank apart my Kalk reactor and full it to just above capacity with 16 lbs of fresh kalk. I also cleaned my skimmer at the same time.
The way I have my tank set up was an automate top off system with a 10 g reservoir. My top-off added to my sump using gravity, regulated by a water level float valve. I finished with everything by 8:30 PM and observed the tank until about 11:00 PM and went to bed. Everything was great with our sign of problem.
I woke up at 4:30 (our son was sick and needed some medicine) the tank was milky and about 60 g of water was on the floor. The sump pump run dry, the tank lost circulation through the sump. One look at the system and equipments, I find that about 8 lbs of kalk have emptied into the system and my 10 g reservoir was empty. I always have 60 g of mixed water on hand at all time so I added that into my tank and got the water level back up to normal. What happened was that with the newly washed skimmer and the water change, the skimmer overflowed. It happens just at the time when the Kalk reactor was stirring (15 minutes every 3 hours) which result in adding very thick Kalk into the system. The Kalk added really cause the skimmer to dumps more water resulting in still more Kalk into the tank. This event started a vicious cycle, which ends when the Kalk reservoir run out and the sump pump chamber emptied. The skimmer then proceeds to empty about 60 g of water into the floor. I got the pH down to about 9 with some water change and added vinegar, but the pH spike cause the death of my Xenia colonies and death of countless animals in the sand bed and LR. This in turn causes the ammonia spike that kill the rest. I just cannot mix enough water to change enough for a 500 g system to prevent the vicious cycle of ammonia release. By Monday afternoon, I can see the battle was lost. I took whatever I could out to my freshly made water (tap and IO salt in my water container) I called my friends and asked them to keep some of my clams, SPS and put the fishes in my 10 g tank in my bed room. I tried to save my two 3 feet worms but they did not survive.
What did I learn from this disaster?
Never feed Kalk via a water level float valve. I will always use a dosing pump for kalk from now on.
I will always use a collecting container that is inside the sump, and a container that will prevent overflow.
I will only work on the tank on Saturday, and will keep checking on the tank for 6+ hours after doing work on the tank.

After this disaster, I know that the Bio Mass involved in Bristle worms along is about the same biomass involved in my fish in my tank.
My tank was really healthy. Ick was eliminated from my tank. After the stress that my fish and tank went though, my 5 Ocellaris and three Clown gobies did not have any disease in my 10 g tank. They completely recovered after 24 hrs. Some of the LPS are really hard to kill. These included Frogspawn, Anchor, Goniopora, Alveopora.

I spend the last week tried to clean my system to get the smell out of my house. I will get rid of all the sand and use new sand. I will re-cure my rock I will redo my system and re set it up in a few months.
I learned lots with setting up my tank (may my fishes, clams and snails, and my other animals RIP) and will eliminate this potential disaster from my new set-up. I will also incorporate what I learned over the last 4 year into my new system. Maybe in 4-6 months, I will start to stock my tank again.

Thanks for reading. I hope you learn something from my disaster.

Minh Nguyen
 

dtiedke

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OMG! I am so sorry to hear about your loss....truly sad!

I hope that you can get your tank back together soon, as I have enjoyed your pictures and very wise advice...


Much sympathy for your loss.....


Dave
 

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OMG! I am so sorry to hear about your loss....truly sad!

I hope that you can get your tank back together soon, as I have enjoyed your pictures and very wise advice...


Much sympathy for your loss.....


Dave
 

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I am sorry to hear about your loss, i know that lots of time and effort went into that simply amazing tank. I hope you recover cause you'd be a loss to such an incredible hobby.
 
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Ohh man doesn't that suck - one giant snowball :cry:

As far as the kalk goes - a smart dosing pump a'la LiterMeter would be the best solution. You can still use the kalk for evaporation but program the LM to prevent anything more than X volume per day.

Murphy is alive and well and one must try to plan for it - though I'm not sure this could have been completely forseen - except what kinda skimmer??? One of the newer designs with an auto-waste collector would likely have been the trick - however just letting it overflow back to the sump will help as well.
 

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MickAv8r":32l3phxg said:
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As far as the kalk goes - a smart dosing pump a'la LiterMeter would be the best solution. You can still use the kalk for evaporation but program the LM to prevent anything more than X volume per day.

........ - though I'm not sure this could have been completely forseen - except what kinda skimmer??? One of the newer designs with an auto-waste collector would likely have been the trick - however just letting it overflow back to the sump will help as well.
Tom,
My thought exactly. I had redundancy for everything in my tank from power source, light, circulation, extra light, extra pumps. I even have a DC to AC converter so I can use my car for power if the power go out. I have 10 g reservoir only so that even if the valve malfunction, 10 g will not cause a problem (except 10 g of of very clowdy kalk all at once)
My skimmer was a Bullet XL 2. It is a great skimmer. The problem here is the clowdy kalk cause the bubble to go like crazy. It really remove lots of the kalk, but not enought quickly enough.
Any of the three thing you suggested would have prevent this disaster. I did not know that kalk will cause the skimmer to dump water like crazy.
Thanks everybody.
Minh Nguyen
 
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Oh Minh.... I just don't know what to say...I'm sorry.

Nancy
 
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Very sorry to hear about this disaster Minh.

I don't quite understand how 8 pounds of kalk got into the system. Surely you don't put that much in a nelsin reacter, do you?

Once again, I am very sorry to hear about this.

Good luck!

Louey
 

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I feel your pain, the same thing happend to me on my 125 in January and I was using a litre meter to dose my kalk. I had simply added a new DIY kalk reactor online and had the litre meter set way high to rapidly fill the chamber and prime it....affluent was running clear for several hrs and I forgot I had this set up real high and went to bed. By what I suspect to have been around 2am it started dosing a "paste," by the time I woke up the ph was close to 10 and it looked like milk. I quickly tossed in a couple gallons of vinegar to bring the ph down but in the end my results were pretty much the same as your (lots of loss, some tough guys made it through). On a positive note, I cleaned everything up (it cycled fairly quick, but I was changing out lots of water - 50% daily and when I was too tired or did not have the water I used Amquel to help) and I now have beautiful antheus, sps, cbbb, etc. back in the tank...this also motivated me to start my "in wall" 285g tank project :D

Recovery will be tough, but it is worth it!

- scott -
 
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Minh, so sorry to hear about this loss...

I think I'd be sick for weeks if I lost 19 clams...especially yours. I remember seeing pictures of them...incredible.

Looking forward to seeing what you do with your new system, though. I'm certain it will be spectacular...

Peace,

Chip
 
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Lou, as I read his post, 8lbs. was half of what he'd put into the reactor that night.
 

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Oh Minh that's aweful! :(

Thank you for sharing your experience here - I'm sure it will be helpful for others.

FWIW, your tank was one of those exceptional setups that I've always found very inspirational. Looking forward to seeing the pics of it back up and running sometime soon!
 

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...I don't know what to say. I'm pissed and it ain't mine.
Good Luck...I hope you can get it up and running in the future! :cry:
 

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Minh,

I'm very sorry to hear about your loss and want to offer my condolences.

I got to watch your tank grow and blossom from when you first set it up. I'm sure that you can recover and start anew - let me know if I can help.

Cheers
James
 
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Sorry Minh. I always enjoy reading your posts and have received much inspiration from your tank. You seem to be handling it well but it has to be tough. Hang in there!

By the time you are up and running some of my frags should be grown out pretty well so just say the word.
 

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WOW, sorry to hear Minh!! :( That is so sad. :(

It is truly amazing how disaster can happen so quickly. I had a minor disaster with my 415 this weekend when I was out of town, but luckily it ended with no livestock losses and only about 5 gallons of water on the floor. A GFI tripped and I still can't figure out what caused it.

It makes me sick to think of the beautiful animals that you had in that tank that are now gone. :( The majestic angel, your bettas, the ritteris, oh man the list goes on and on.

Good luck in the recovery process. Keep your chin up.

Nathan
 
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:(

oh minh, i wanted to tell you how truly sorry i am for your loss as well. it broke my heart reading your story. my only "disaster" with my tank was experiencing the caulerpa go sexual and turning my water to pea soup but i remember that moment like it was yesterday - the feeling that makes your heart seem to stop.

i wish you the best of success with your new system - i'm guessing from all the knowledge you gained since your last one that your new one will be even more beautiful.
 

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Hi,
I am new here but wanted to express how sorry I am for
your losses. I experienced the same end result in my tank
about 3 weeks ago. All fish but one ..gone, all inverts and
alot of corals as well. It seems like all is lost, but we just
can't stay down long.

It does get better.
 

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