Looks like I Got Marine Velvet

[jbpig]

:evil: Well after several other post in other threads it seems that the conclusion is velvet. I am not sure how it got there, but it did. I would never wish this on anyone, it kills quick, and you really dont know you have it until its all over and done with. I tried for about 2 hrs to catch the remaining fish (Purple tang, Marine beta and 1 yellow tail dam) but with no avail. I really wish I had the time to completly take out the 300lbs of rock out, but there is no way possible for that to happen .

So now what? I guess I let its cycle go thru its course, but how long does it last? From the readings I have done tonight some say 2-4 weeks without a host, so I guess that means when all the fish die wait 2-4 weeks. I will be preforming massive water changes after that then I guess wait another 4 weeks before introducing anythig else. At least this stuff dont infect inverts and corals!

In all toll I have lost 2 bag cards, 1 flame angel, 3- yellow tails, royal gamma, Kole tang, manderin, domino, and probally in the next day or so my purple tang, Marine beta and the last yellow tail

I thought Brooklynella was bad, but it is noting compared to this. Could the marine velvet got introduce via adding replacement snails and crabs? Thoes were the last thing added about 10 days prior to the break-out.

Thanks to all whom offered advice/help in the other threads. gurss its just time to sit back and wait it out.

Joe

 

[DogB]

You know, after reading the other thread again I'm starting to wonder if it is velvet. My reasoning is that one of the fish most susceptable to velvet is the tang whist the mandarin should have had much more resistance. I would have expected the tang to die before the the mandarin. Is this right? Others may know better. I've never kept a mandarin.

I'm starting to think manny (I think it was manny?) had a better idea with the cuke nuke scenario.

As you've aready said you don't have the time to tear the tank down maybe it would be worth using a heap of carbon and keeping your fingers crossed.

Best of luck.

P.

 

[DogB]

I should have added.

I'm sorry for your loss. This really sucks.

P.

 

[Anonymous]

Aren't you the guy who just added the marine betta? If so, quarantine is my mantra, I do the quarantine shimmy shake.

If not.. uuhh.. nevermind (though I still do the q/t shimmy shake).

Anyway, if it is, sitting back and waiting it out, to the best of my knowledge, may not be the best thing to do unless you're considering fallowing for quite some time. This stuff is quite virulent.

A damn shame, it really is.

 

[Terry B]

I went back and read some of your posts and I seriously doubt that the MB was the culpret or that the fish have velvet. Amyloodinium kills quickly and ALL the fish would be sick and breathing very rapidly. They would all be scratching also. Since you don't quarantine your fish yourself for 3+weeks BEFORE they are placed into your reed you will probably experience another wipeout in the furture until you learn the value of quarantine. It sounds more like some sort of toxin in the water to me? Do you see any salt like white spots on the fish? Have you tried making a couple of LARGE water changes with well aged and aerated saltwater to dilute the problem? If your fish did have velvet (amyloodinium) then it takes longer to die out than ich. I would leave the display fishless for 60 days. Did you post ALL of your water parameters?
Terry B

 

[jbpig]

It can not be a "cuke nuke' cause there aint one in there. I am real afraid of that hapening. Bu what can be worse then this huh? Let me see if I can remember the order of death........Flame angel, 2 yellow tails, kole, bag cards, one more yellow tail, coral beauty, manderin, then the domino. More or less that was the order in which they died. I was only able to remove the flame carcus. I can see the mandein but can not get to it, and while trying to remove the domino it fell behind a wall of rock with gsp's growing all over it. I would have to take about 175lbs out to get to it. But i checked my Amonia and its only at .25, which is surprising concidering all the loss i have had.

 

[jbpig]

Terry,

I posted allt eh parameters that i had test kist for, Alk, Ca, NO3, and amonia. All seemed fine. about 2 weeks ago I was doing water changes of about 15 Gal every 2 days cause my DI cart was bad and my TDS was at 045, this of course was after changing the DI cart out. do you think I could have got a faulty cart which introduced toxins ????

 

[shr00m]

after putting in the new DI cartridge did you flush a few gallonsthrough it first, ive heard this is necessary to be safe.

 

[Terry B]

I wish that you could tell us what the pH and oxygen levels are. How is the water surface agitation? There are many toxins in some people’s tap water, especially on the east coast. If the water coming out of the tap was the problem then the inverts would probably not look too great. I don’t think that DI filters last very long. Just one reason that I prefer to use RO water. You are using the DI filter on the freshwater before you add the salt, right? If you have a large tank (you must with 300lbs of rock) then a 15 gal water change would not do much to dilute any toxins in the water. I am an advocate of LARGE water changes using only well aged and aerated saltwater as a first move whenever the animals appear to be in distress. A LARGE water change can cover a multitude of sins.
Terry B

 

[jbpig]

Yes I run RO/DI, it was i had hjust changed the sediment, carbon and di filters recently. and yes i let it run about 5 gal before using the ro/di water. Now back to the "well aged" thing. I posted here a week or so on why let it age but no one could really say. I believe it had about 20 or so responses, I let mine age about a day to make sure temp is ok and everyhting is disolved. I only do 15 gal per time on a water change as not to shock the system any. HTH