Mantis vs. Pistol

[Anonymous]

That was morally indefensible Hwarang.. :wink:
lots of people feed hermit crabs to their Mantises, its really no different than feeding feeder guppies, raised only to be fed to another animal? :? i personally dont have a problem with feeding live animals to another, but i wont do it for sport of mere fun, perhaps curiosity and the sake of science... thats me though

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah the title sounds like a bad Godzilla or king kong movie...anyways i was at the LFS about a week ago when i came across the snapping/pistol shimp...So purchased this little guy on a brave, risky gamble to pair up with my Prawn goby( they didnt know what species of pistol it was so I was unable to determine if it would be compatible with my goby).. i told the LFS guy if it doesnt work out then id feed it to my mantis...He informed me that that isnt necessarily the case..He said that the mantis and the pistol have about the same amount of force and the pistol could very well kill a mantis..OK a few possible factors and scenearios...I can see a large pistol possibly taking out a juvy mantis..it also depends on the species of mantis and the species of pistol..now this LFS guy i know ok and i like to think of him as credible and making an honest mistake with knowledge..My pistol is larger than my mantis, HOWEVER, im seriously doubting that this pistol of mine could take on my mantis...Rancor im willing to bet could take out my pistol easy! I held my pistol with out a problem.. The most it does is snap which i believe is for self defense...Anyways if anyone can confirm or deny this, much appreciated...Like i said, under certain circumstances and a few given factors involved it is possible, but im willing the odds will be in the mantises favor most of the time...(The LFS clerk made it sound like it was a 50/50 deal with it leaning more towards the pistol)

if the sizes are equal, it's close to a 50/50 split

discovery channel and pbs routinely air quite abit of nice footage of mantis and pistol shrimp, and behavior

turns out that pistols will also co-operate as a group to kill a mantis (discovery airs that one 4-6 x's/yr)

think of what would happen to your brain and any other soft tissue when hit by a multi thousand mi/hr shockwave runnin through it.(the shock wave actually causes the water surrounding the claw to cavitate air 8O ) the snap is definitely an ffensive weapon , a primary predatory tool, and a defensive weapon

 

[Anonymous]

i'm prolly wrong on the mi/hr figure, but it's fast, regardless :wink:

 

[cdeakle]

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[Anonymous]

nice1bruva,

If you have problem with mantis shrimp being fed a live diet, no matter what they are being fed or why, then just leave the mantis forum and don't come back. Trust me, you will NOT be missed. Maybe you would find the peta website more to your liking.


It does not matter why a certain live food has been picked to be fed to a mantis. Either way the mantis needs to eat. I would rather see a problematic coral killing crab get fed to a mantis above a non agressive crab. In any event, it does not matter. We will feed our mantis whatever we want however we want and whenever we want. Your idiotic views are just that.

:roll:


i think that was abit uncalled for

 

[cdeakle]

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[Len]

Guys, please keep it civil. You can disagree with each other's opinions, but let's refrain from personalizing the attacks.

 

[cdeakle]

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[Anonymous]

Len, understood sir.

See the problem here is though that a few people are attempting to turn the mantis forum into the sump. nice1bruva should not come into the mantis forum and show his disagreement with us feeding our mantis shrimp. If he has a problem with the care of mantis shrimp then he is lost and in the wrong forum.

Vitz, as most people know, will throw in his 2 cents to egg on the situation or is at times the person creating the problem and argument.

I will not allow someone to bad mouth a mantis keeper feeding there mantis. I also don't care what vitz has to say at anytime. I have not overstep my bounds and I think there are other members onhere that you should keep an eye on.

anyone, including nice1bruva, has every right to state their opinions here about anything mantis related, whether they jive w/your opinnions or not, and should be accorded the same amount of respect you expect for your opinions

 

[Len]

I personally don't believe nice1bruva intended to bad mouth mantis keepers. He expressed his opinion on the matter civilly. Anyone has the right to disagree with his opinion, of course. Discuss why.

People from time to time discuss the ethics of reefkeeping as a whole in the GRD. I think they are constructive, insightful discussions .... if the people participating are able to discuss amongst themselves in a civil manner, respectful of differing opinions.

 

[cdeakle]

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[nice1bruva]

i had closed the door on this subject and aggreed to dissagree.....none of my comments have been edited....i stand by every word i have written.
i have always concidered reefs.org as a premium site full of great knowledge and helpfull peeps.
i have pointed a few people in the uk towards this site in the last couple of years as i felt that it would benifit both themselves and their reef.
this and posts of this type are totally wrong and only serves as amunition for the anti-aquarium mob.
the personal attacks from the members.....funnily enough not from choc.....prove to me that some people cannot discuss subjects without lowering themselves to asking me to leave their clique.
i feel that a certain amount snide comments in this and other threads have done nothing but see the whole issue of feeding live animals....with no chance of survival....as a funny thing to do.
the commentaries....and requests for more say it all really.
i feel i am not going to post on this site in the future as i do not wish to be associated with cruelty to marine life.
my tank is there to enjoy marine life and grow/frag corals....it is NOT there as a roman amphitheatre for twisted visual kicks.
fwiw there are a lot of decent members on this site that are prepared to discus things like adults.....morning hwrang...and many others that i genuinely believe would aggree with SOME of my comments regarding this thread.
how many dont speak up though so as not to upset the apple carts?

 

[Anonymous]

I still think the Mantis would win for the most part...need to see that on the discovery channel..dont they do that? compare animals in a would be contest and say who would win?

 

[cdeakle]

i feel that a certain amount snide comments in this and other threads have done nothing but see the whole issue of feeding live animals....with no chance of survival....as a funny thing to do.

the whole issue of feeding live animals....with no chance of survival....as a funny thing to do.

Mantis need to eat live food. There is no question about that.

Why would I feed my mantis live food that might be able to defend themselves and hurt my mantis or even kill it?

Once again, why would a member come to the mantis forum and express a view that has nothing to do with the forum there in? The mantis forum is a forum for members to come and discuss various information on the care and keeping of mantis and other mantis related topics.

Why would you come in here and basicly state that we should not feed our mantis shrimp? Does this make any sense whatsoever? hmmmmmm

 

[cdeakle]

accidental double post.....

 

[Anonymous]

i think a central part of the differing views in the discussion is...

that some think, that even though feeding live food is necessary, and interesting to look at, one should maybe have at least the respect for the food critters that they do for the predators they're feeding

which carries into the way one expresses the acts 'coolness'

it's cool, but not because some arrow crab is getting entertainingly mutilated, ala wwf... (that kind of view i find distasteful, like pulling wings off a fly just for the sake of doing so)


that perspective kinda belittles the very mantis being kept :wink: (not being all that different than the crab, other than an increased subjective 'coolness factor' on our part)

i think the 'knee-jerk' reactions would never have occured were it not for the impression left by the original 'soundtrack' in one of the vid links

just an observation

 

[Anonymous]

cdeakle wrote:

Once again, why would a member come to the mantis forum and express a view that has nothing to do with the forum there in? The mantis forum is a forum for members to come and discuss various information on the care and keeping of mantis and other mantis related topics

the forum is also just as equally a place for people who hate and detest mantis shrimp, to say so, and why, i'd imagine :wink:


it's a reef oriented bb, and there are plenty of strong fish only people who post here, there are people who argue the merit of this coral/anemone over that one, why can't people do the same thing here? :idea:

 

[Anonymous]

So back to the real issue of Mantis Vs. Pistol?
In defense of Chockablock he did say he bought that Arrow crab with the intent it did any damage it would become mantis food..I think the video taping of it was rather educational, although i didnt see the video i can imagine...Besides thats an awfully expensive meal for a Mantis if that was the intent..not when hermits and snails are far cheaper...I look at feeding live food like this...Its no different then buying feeder guppies for a Cichlid, its no different then feeding live brine shrimp or phytoplankton..or mice to a snake or a lizard to a tarantula...There are people that are gonna say its inhumane or sick and twisted..Whatever right...Its not cockfighting or pitbull fighting or betta fighting..Thats called the food chain..if you happen to find the eatin of another animal amusing or entertaining i just think thats a plus (in a wierd sense)..it doesnt mean you have Dahmer tendancies...Maybe you enjoy nature at its best? How many people have watched a Lion take down a Gazelle on National Geographics? I dont think that makes you sick and twisted? my 10cents

 

[ChrisV]

This was an interesting thread, I will have my eyes open for a mantis as soon as I get a habitable nano :wink:

I have observed a mantis at dinner time and am very amazed a pistol could put up much of a fight, then again I know little about the pistol...

-cv