wacky idea! read this and tell me how stupid i am lol

[Anonymous]

Don't start that line of crap.

Who can blame the one-trick-pony for wanting to perform?

Attention is attention... :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

Sounds like a lot of work for little reward.

As is all water changes.

Show us Bob!

There's still time for you to put together an entry in the contest.

 

[Anonymous]

Don't start that line of crap.

Who can blame the one-trick-pony for wanting to perform?

Attention is attention... :wink:

:lol:

As the numbers point out you have to do more than one trick to maintain a system. You have to remove the bad stuff and add the good stuff. The one trick of water changes will not do that.

Guy

too late but when I get that stupid filter/surge thingie working I will test it on a 10g and post results. Best I can do.

 

[Anonymous]

Don't start that line of crap.

Who can blame the one-trick-pony for wanting to perform?

Attention is attention... :wink:

:lol:

As the numbers point out you have to do more than one trick to maintain a system. You have to remove the bad stuff and add the good stuff. The one trick of water changes will not do that.

No bob that was not my point about the pony, but you go right ahead and miss it, s'okay :lol:

 

[tinyreef]

As the numbers point out you have to do more than one trick to maintain a system. You have to remove the bad stuff and add the good stuff. The one trick of water changes will not do that.

uh, why doesn't waterchanges do "that"? the take out "bad" and add the "good".

you're removing a portion of the water volume and adding in fresh sw. why doesn't that qualify for export/import like your algae scrubbing method?

are waterchanges a 100% formula? probably not since it's based upon dilution-pollution control but algae scrubbing isn't 100% either. two valid methods, neither is absolute imo.

i'm sorry, i avoided those lengthy threads you battled everyone on. so you might've stated that magic formula before, so i apologize in advance to those of you that have already endured the marketing pitch.

 

[ChrisV]

Great idea there cjsrch time to toss it in the pile with your fluidized bed filter...

 

[Anonymous]

Sounds like a lot of work for little reward.

As is all water changes.

Your opinions might not rub people the wrong way if you stated them as opinions instead of face.

Don't start that line of crap.

Who can blame the one-trick-pony for wanting to perform?

Attention is attention... :wink:

:lol:

As the numbers point out you have to do more than one trick to maintain a system. You have to remove the bad stuff and add the good stuff. The one trick of water changes will not do the trick.

Bob, please try to avoid arguing against points no one is making.

Thanks!

 

[cjsrch]

Great idea there cjsrch time to toss it in the pile with your fluidized bed filter...

hey fludized bed filters are great. if you dont think they are tell me why..


i keep forgeting that i never posted my plans here.

it is a 150 gallon tank with 2 55 gallon sumps. one sump is for heaters and blablabla

the other sump will have 2 areas. one will be a eco wheel type set up and the other will be a standard everyday refuge.



i did like the idea of running tank water throu a uv sterilizer to kill all the stuff that can eat phyto.

as for the simmate . it may not work. i see why. now.

i guess i will use a dosin pump to feed water slowly to the phyto chamber ( after passing throu the uv filter)

how long untill phyto cultures go steril due to inbreeding. i know it happens to friet flys but phyo is sooo many per teaspoon. that i dont htink inbreed would happen ( or does phyto just split?)

 

[Anonymous]

I've been running the same fruit fly culture for three years; I doubt you need to worry about inbreeding!

Fluidized bed filters, along with ecowheels and similar devices are not well suited for reefs because they produce nitrates as an end product. They are fine for FO tanks, although I wouldn't use them there either personally.

But you indicated earlier you knew that already so why ask...?

 

[cjsrch]

uhh no a BIO wheel is a wetdry

an eco wheel is a variation on an algae turf scrubber.

make nitrates.. so oyu mena it does what all filters do except it is more effective. intresting. hate to sayit a 150 gall tank with a 5 inch sandbed and 200 pounds of rock makes the same nitrate as a 150 gallon tank with 5 inch sandbed and 200 pounds of rock WITH a fluidized bed.

 

[cjsrch]

uhh lr makes nitrate as an end product as well... then anarobic areas can convert this to free nitrogen but a fluidized bed does the excact same thing as the areas of lr exposed to water movment . just alot more effective. now you can make a fluidized bed that also reduses nitrates.

i think i see my next project

 

[tinyreef]

uh, are we still talking saltwater tanks? i just got lost, i think.

everything i've been doing for almost the past decade has just been tossed out the fricking window! 8O

i'm gonna go kick julian sprung's ass and get my money back. :evil:

cj,
you do realize if the fluidized bed stops, the beneficial bacteria can crash? and crash badly.

they're good systems if you've got a lot of piss/poop, i.e. fish. creatures that can tolerate high nitrates.

if you don't mind the nitrates, it doesn't seem to be affecting the flow of oxygen to think clearly, biowheels are perfectly fine and much cheaper than the eco-wheel. much easier to setup too.

if you want a reef tank (this is still reefs.org, right?), then i would think you don't want the nitrates. i think even bob will sign on board this nitpicky point.

the addition of the fluidized bed with the LR/LS results in outcompetition for the nutrients and higher nitrates than LR/LS alone. proximity to the anaerobic ...oh for pete's sake, this is reefing 101.

go search for the reasons. printerdown on nr did a good writeup two years ago? i'm sure there's a couple of articles here and maybe even at RC. <gasp> g'nite.

 

[cjsrch]

you all are thinking of filters as onething. not taking intoconsideration the rest of the tank. ecowheels and bio wheels are two different things. biowheels are a more efficiant form of wetdry then the bioballs. as well as they dont allowfor much microfauna growth ( this is what makes them nitratefactories )

as for fluidized bed you seem to not understand the cycle very well. you make it sound like put in a fluidizedbed or wetdry and instantly the rock stops filtering. .


thats it im adding a WETDRY bioball tower to my newtank. had it on last tank and everything read perfect. never got a higher reading then .5 on nitrate . and that was when i had a fish die. ( prefilterfell off of pump and he was chopped up)


yeahi relize fluidized bed filters can crash when they stop. but so can everything else. lr will die if water stops flowing.

 

[Anonymous]

just to clear up i did 1 percent aday and when every i felt like it 50 percent ( 25 percent each day for 2 days) but this is hardly worth mentioning because of the fact that it was soooo occasional


1 percent aday can also replace trace elements. or atleast cut down the ammount your need to add

Excellent science. :roll:

 

[cjsrch]

what ? no science there .. time for eyedoctor 8O you must be seeing things


if your refering to the waterchange. how manypeople have a scedualed waterchange that they do eachtime on time

 

[Anonymous]

what ? no science there .. time for eyedoctor 8O you must be seeing things


if your refering to the waterchange. how manypeople have a scedualed waterchange that they do eachtime on time

You should read this:

http://www.reefs.org/library/article/t_ ... ll_wc.html

 

[Anonymous]

you all are thinking of filters as onething. not taking intoconsideration the rest of the tank. ecowheels and bio wheels are two different things. biowheels are a more efficiant form of wetdry then the bioballs. as well as they dont allowfor much microfauna growth ( this is what makes them nitratefactories )

I just fished about a hundred amphipods out of the sponge prefilter of a wet/dry on a 150 FO tank. I've never found any amphipods in a biowheel. Go figure.

yeahi relize fluidized bed filters can crash when they stop. but so can everything else. lr will die if water stops flowing.

Fluidized bed filters crash, and they crash HARD, if flow stops for even short periods. Live rock can do just fine for extended periods (a few hours) without water flow. This is old news.

 

[Anonymous]

Guy

too late but when I get that stupid filter/surge thingie working I will test it on a 10g and post results. Best I can do.

No, the deadline was extended to give you more time to put together your new & improved plant driven SPS reef tank. There's plenty of time.

 

[ChrisRD]

Many people have survived power outages of several days and their live rock has been fine. Try that with a fluidized bed filter. :wink:

 

[cjsrch]

sponge prefilter on wetdry. never found them in bio wheels. well then check the bio whells prefilter, what comes after a prefilter has nothing to do with what gets caught in one