Tang questions

[Anonymous]

Come on, Karl...you can add the clown tang with that chevron...
Come on, go ahead...I dare ya.
Peace,
Chip

There has been some excellent advice and recommendations posted here.
However above clueless post is not one of them.

Wayne, just to clear this up...Karl is a friend of mine and I was kidding around with him. Hence me adding the line: "I dare ya." Everyone else seemed to notice this except you. I'm sorry I wasn't as clear as I should have been, but I didn't know you were reading threads outside of the Industry Forum.

You do not want to consider a clown at all. They are difficult to keep and are extremely aggressive.

IME, they are not difficult to keep at all if you start with a healthy specimen. They are aggressive, though.

I would not recommend Chip's earlier advice to keep two tangs of the same species in a 100 gallon.

IME, it can be done. The 100 gallon tank I used to have was 60", and I kept similar tangs in it with the standard amount of aggression.

I would not recommend purchasing a tang from Marine Center as Chip has stated or any online seller. You need to see the tang before you buy it.

Okay, then what does *this* mean?

Matt I am happy that there is an excellent online vendor that you can recommend. Many reefers do not have good LFS near them with a variety of suitable species.

Does it mean that if I recommend an online vendor you criticize the information, and if Matt recommends the *same* vendor you're okay with it?

Peace,

Chip

 

[Anonymous]

I have 2 blue hippos that I put in at the same time (they were 3/4" when I got them) and they are my favorites and are very happy. They were a little agressive at first but now they play all the time in my 100ga.

I bought them from an online vendor too.

 

[naesco]

Candidly, you should refrain from posting in areas where you have little experience. Your advice was poor and it was obvious to anyone reading the thread which had a wealth of really good advice from hobbyists experienced in raising them.

It is of no use for you to explain now to the original poster that:
1. you were just kidding when you recommended a clown tang. These frequent attempts at humour are not helpful at all. Please accept your role as moderator first, and post when you have something to add.

2. you can put in two similar tang species when you know that this is not advisable. As a vendor you would obviously like to encourage posters to put in even more. You should come clean in these kinds of posts that you are in the business of selling fish.

Matt posted a defence of TMC. He stated they were excellent for an oneline store. I accept that as all of us do not have the benefit of a good LFS nearby.

Wayne

 

[Anonymous]

Candidly, you should refrain from posting in areas where you have little experience. Your advice was poor and it was obvious to anyone reading the thread which had a wealth of really good advice from hobbyists experienced in raising them.

It is of no use for you to explain now to the original poster that:
1. you were just kidding when you recommended a clown tang. These frequent attempts at humour are not helpful at all. Please accept your role as moderator first, and post when you have something to add.

2. you can put in two similar tang species when you know that this is not advisable. As a vendor you would obviously like to encourage posters to put in even more. You should come clean in these kinds of posts that you are in the business of selling fish.


Matt posted a defence of TMC. He stated they were excellent for an oneline store. I accept that as all of us do not have the benefit of a good LFS nearby.

Wayne

who are you talking to?

 

[Anonymous]

Candidly, you should refrain from posting in areas where you have little experience. Your advice was poor and it was obvious to anyone reading the thread which had a wealth of really good advice from hobbyists experienced in raising them.

Wayne, I've been in this hobby for nearly 10 years, and have kept nearly every type of fish successfully. I will defend any advice I give as being ultimately superior to anything you can offer any of the hobbyists in any forum on this site.

It is of no use for you to explain now to the original poster that:
1. you were just kidding when you recommended a clown tang. These frequent attempts at humour are not helpful at all. Please accept your role as moderator first, and post when you have something to add.

So that means you'll also take issue with Len jokingly recommending that they purchase a gem tang for $3,000 when they have questions about tang husbandry? I await your follow-up post on that.

Also, you are not in a position to grant advice on how to moderate. Please refrain from doing so in your posts from this point on.

2. you can put in two similar tang species when you know that this is not advisable. As a vendor you would obviously like to encourage posters to put in even more. You should come clean in these kinds of posts that you are in the business of selling fish.

Wayne, I am a real estate agent. You are laboring under a misconception. I do not sell fish.

Matt posted a defence of TMC. He stated they were excellent for an oneline store. I accept that as all of us do not have the benefit of a good LFS nearby.

...and yet when I suggested it, you were all ready with pitchfork in one hand and torch in the other.

Tread lightly, Wayne.

Peace,

Chip

 

[Anonymous]

...and post when you have something to add.

Wayne

Hmmm, taking your own advice here might be advisable Wayne. :?

Seems the original poster was being given some great advice on what fish to purchase. Have you added to that discussion at all, or just taken the opportunity to make jabs at Chip?

Matt

 

[naesco]

...and post when you have something to add.

Wayne

Hmmm, taking your own advice here might be advisable Wayne. :?

Seems the original poster was being given some great advice on what fish to purchase. Have you added to that discussion at all, or just taken the opportunity to make jabs at Chip?

Matt

Had the original poster not been given great advice by the time I read the post, you could be assured I would have provided him with my opinions as well. I think Chip has got the message.

 

[Meloco14]

No more debates. Just get this:
http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/tangs/gemtang/

In stock!

:lol:

 

[Anonymous]

I think Chip has got the message.

What message would that be, Wayne? You have proven nothing here, except that you don't like humor in the GRD.

The rest of the mods & admins would seem to disagree with you...

Peace,

Chip

 

[Len]

I think it's best to drop the side argument.

 

[Meloco14]

Candidly, you should refrain from posting in areas where you have little experience. Your advice was poor and it was obvious to anyone reading the thread which had a wealth of really good advice from hobbyists experienced in raising them.

It is of no use for you to explain now to the original poster that:
1. you were just kidding when you recommended a clown tang. These frequent attempts at humour are not helpful at all. Please accept your role as moderator first, and post when you have something to add.

2. you can put in two similar tang species when you know that this is not advisable. As a vendor you would obviously like to encourage posters to put in even more. You should come clean in these kinds of posts that you are in the business of selling fish.

Matt posted a defence of TMC. He stated they were excellent for an oneline store. I accept that as all of us do not have the benefit of a good LFS nearby.

Wayne

Well, I have been trying to stay out of this little arguement but for the record I am well aware of Chip's friendship with Karl and when I read his post it was blatantly obvious to me that it was a friendly joke. Also, just to clarify, Chip was (jokingly) recommending the clown tang to Karl (Unarce), not to me. I am also aware that Chip is a newly licensed real estate agent, not a vendor, so I did not take his posts as trying to sell me something. I appreciate your concern that I get proper advice, Wayne, and your point about seeing the tang in person rather than blindly ordering online is well taken. I hope this helps clarify things a little bit and once again I'd like to thank everyone for their comments and recommendations.

 

[Anonymous]

Well put!!!

 

[RobertoVespucci]

This is only slightly less hijacked, but what's the current popular ethic on acquiring a fish for its juvenile appearance/habit when you don't particularly care for the adult? I bring it up here because of the batfish, which all look so awesome as juveniles, and then grow up to something I wouldn't want to spend time looking at. I saw in the book a few of the tangs do that as well. Are there people out there looking for adults that you could shuttle the fish off to? I only have a 20 gallon right now, so I guess I haven't really earned the stripes to post in this thread, but in a few years the opportunity may come run a few tangs.

 

[Meloco14]

Crissy,
My comment was because informations you posted were from petsolutions, including the link, which is an online vender, not because you want to sell anything here. I hope you are not offended.
Cheers

I only put the link so someone would know where I got my info from. Not b/c of the vendor site.

Typical Captive: 8 in.

thought that would make it a good tang.........evidently that only means captive bread?

Crissy, when fish grow to smaller sizes in captivity it is usually due to living conditions that are less than ideal. Any fish that is put into a smaller environment than it would get in the wild will most likely exhibit stunted growth. Whether this affects the overall health of the fish I do not know (but I would guess yes). As far as how humane is it to do this to a fish, well, that is up to personal opinion. The point that Minh was trying to make was that you should be leary of any information about a fish posted on a vendor website. I don't think he was trying to accuse you of anything. Regardless, that is a really beautiful fish that until now I never knew existed, and I appreciate your recommendations. Thanks!

 

[Meloco14]

This is only slightly less hijacked, but what's the current popular ethic on acquiring a fish for its juvenile appearance/habit when you don't particularly care for the adult? I bring it up here because of the batfish, which all look so awesome as juveniles, and then grow up to something I wouldn't want to spend time looking at. I saw in the book a few of the tangs do that as well. Are there people out there looking for adults that you could shuttle the fish off to? I only have a 20 gallon right now, so I guess I haven't really earned the stripes to post in this thread, but in a few years the opportunity may come run a few tangs.

Well I think a lot of this will differ with personal opinion. Some people believe you should buy a fish with the intent of keeping it for life. Other people have easily traded or sold fish that they no longer wanted, or no longer could care for. Personally, I would never purchase a living animal knowing that I am going to get rid of it in the future. Sometimes it is very difficult to find someone who wants the adult specimen. This would be especially true with the fish you mentioned, where the juvenile stage is the more attractive one. A similar mindset occurs when people buy baby sharks or other large fish. They think the shark will be fine in their tank for a couple years, and then they can buy a bigger tank, sell it, or give it to a local aquarium or store. The unfortunate reality is that your bigger tank doesn't always happen, very few people are looking to purchase a large shark, and commercial aquariums or fish stores don't have the room to take the shark off your hands. Granted, a shark and a tang are very different situations, but this helps make my point. It would be a mistake to assume that you can easily find a new home for a large fish a few years down the road. Something like clownfish would be no problem, but a 12" tang or batfish will be very difficult. But again, this is just my opinion. Hope it helps.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the explaination! I really do appreciate your insite. I was waiting for Minh to do the same but didn't get it.

 

[Minh Nguyen]

Thanks for the explaination! I really do appreciate your insite. I was waiting for Minh to do the same but didn't get it.

Crissy,
I am not sure what else I can say. You recommended a fish for 100 g tank that have the potential of being 20+ inches (longer than the width of most 100 g tank) You did this because you trusted a vendor who stated that this fish only get to about 8 inches in captivity. I pointed this out and stated that we should not trust information from vendors. I was hoping that you stop trusting information given by vendor unles you can confirm it with other sourses.
I know that you don't have any secondary motive. You just want to give recommendation regarding a very beautiful fish. IMO the information you use to give recommendation was not first hand experience and was poor information at best.

Like Len, I hope that you would take information, or advices from a vendor with a large grain of salt. Not all vendor should be distrust, but I recommend that you do what I do--distrust them until they demonstrated to your sastifaction that their advices can be trusted
I am truly sorry if you are offended. I only want to point out that I do not agree with your advice.

 

[WRASSER]

Well anyways, Today I fed the fresh water tank (30,000 gal. @ BPS). 20 dozen shinners. The Tarpn and Catfish love em. The large mouth bass tear em up. It is a joy to watch them eat. I try to feed so the childern can watch too.

 

[naesco]

Well put!!!

Yes and thanks Moloko.
I don't no why I assumed Chip was in industry.

 

[bleedingthought]

Meloco, my vote is for the tomini!