Deltec AP 703 Skimmer ???

[Bikinisalt]

That's exacty why i upgraded from the 702 to the 902, Anyway this thread is becoming bull **** me. Sorry ray. I now own a deltec 1003 which ever of your bullshit skimmers you want to bring to my house and test next to my skimmer feel free to do so, And again sorry for the bull **** Ray

Hey Dave, I am actually reading and absorbing from all of this, however this is the sh*t that a new member joining, if they had a question about something would get scared and problably never post, I have seen a few that don't even post anymore and I guess are scared.

I asked for an opinion on something and I get everything else but an answer to the original question, which in this case happens to be; If anyone uses the Deltec AP 703 skimmer, not the BK, BM, Deltec AP 702, Ap 902, etc. That's all I asked...

 

[Dace]

Hey Dave, I am actually reading and absorbing from all of this, however this is the sh*t that a new member joining, if they had a question about something would get scared and problably never post, I have seen a few that don't even post anymore and I guess are scared.

I asked for an opinion on something and I get everything else but an answer to the original question, which in this case happens to be; If anyone uses the Deltec AP 703 skimmer, not the BK, BM, Deltec AP 702, Ap 902, etc. That's all I asked...

That is very true, that's why i figured i'd just step down to keep this thread clean.

 

[Dace]

Dude those skimmers are awesome, Pricey thought.That will be overkill for your setup. one will do just fine. 530gal heavy stock. 800gal normal stock. 185+185=370gal

also remember that this was my original post

 

[cali_reef]

David,

I don't give it crap.. I don't like when people try to pick apart what I post and put things out of context. All my post is pretty clear to most, others can read it how ever they want.

BTW, two pump on a 1003 is not a 902, they have two different body sizes and requires different amount of air for them work properly.

 

[Pseudo]

My skimmer is better that yours is... Boo hooo... I have had almost every skimmer made but a BK and a KZ. I have had airstone skimmer that outperformed becketts. What seems to be the problem ?? If your tank sucks, who cares what skimmer you have ? I have a $200 skimmer (beckett of course) that whips the **** out of a Deltec. I have said it before. Deltec skimmers suck until you get into the 1000 series period. BK skimmers are way overpriced. Do they work ? Yes they both do.

You get what you pay for. Then it is up to you to maintain them. Don't buy a skimmer if you cant afford to get replacement parts for it or cant tune it properly or you aren't going to maintain it. Nothing is set and forget. (I hate lazy reefers).

Hands down and best bang for the buck... Beckett. The larger you go, the bigger the pump and you electric goes with it.

All of you have seen my tanks. Not to shitty and have kept some of the hardest to keep corals ever found. Then I have been known to kill alot of **** too It wasn't always the equipment. Bad reefer

Bikinisalt,

If you want a good skimmer that is worth the cash and does what you want it to do with minimal hands-on time. H&S 2nd place Deltec (expensive alternative and markup)

If you want a skimmer that will grow as your tank grows. Reeflo Orca 200 or 250 depending on the size and bio-load. (yes I have seen them run personally and have the 200 on order

If you want a kick ass skimmer for any situation get a Barr Aquatics SK series. (Austin Oceans sells them now) You will never get this performance from another type of skimmer and quality too. Built like a tank and has exceptional features.

If you like to have good skimming without destroying the micro-fauna and great construction. Bubble King or KZ. Again I have seen them used and I see no extraordinary powers from either of them. Impressive build quality and now they have good customer service through Premium Aquatics and other vendors.

It's your tank. Do what YOU want. Not what others want you to do. I hardly ever open my cabinet to my sump unless asked. I am too busy looking inside the tank. Build you system to what it can handle. Physical constraints and performance are you 2 objectives after reading through the crap in this thread. Add to that list power consumption, noise level and customer service.

HTH,

Kasei

 

[Pseudo]

Pierce,

Can I come play with your skimmers ? I dont think anyone can overfeed thier tanks more than Big P. Almost 100 fish in a 50g cube...Whew

Kasei

 

[cali_reef]

Beckett is King!! :lol2:

 

[Pseudo]

Oh and Bikini,

The AP 703 is a decent skimmer. Yes seen it, played with it, and wasn't worth the cash IMO.

Kasei

 

[Bikinisalt]

Oh and Bikini,

The AP 703 is a decent skimmer. Yes seen it, played with it, and wasn't worth the cash IMO.

Kasei

Okay thanks, I decided to look into the bermuda line of skimmers...

 

[Pseudo]

Yeah thats it. **** everyone else and go your own direction Just make it work for you.

Kasei

 

[pecan2phat]

Kasei,
That is a $489 skimmer that you have

 

[cali_reef]

Kasei,
That is a $489 skimmer that you have

Thats right, I'll take it when you get your new toy.

 

[Pseudo]

It cost me $200 from some wierd little asian dood that a fish killer I have a fish closet again P. It goes in there until the day I get bored again.

Kasei

 

[fritz]

HAHAHA MINE!

Fritz (Raider of Kasei's fish closet)

 

[NYreefNoob]

not for nothing but i have seen a bermuda in action and they seem to do the job, im just a poor reefer so bm bk ect are out of the question for me and really ray look at what you plan to keep in the tank amount of fish corals ect. factory noise in also. running those two tanks electric obviously isn't of concern. and never understood why people get so pissed on opinions. not all skimmer's are going to perform the same on different tanks. thats why most of these guys have diff opinions and have had so many skimmer's. always seems to be something better. ill stick with my euroreef rs135:grouphug:

 

[Sean]

BTW have you checked out the turbo skimmers from deltec?
http://www.deltecusa.us/turboskimmers/turbo1064.php

the tunze master
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~TZ5347.html

nobody seems to ever mention these
the tunze I'm dieing to see but the deltecs a great short skimmer but it's an in sump model does that work for you?

 

[kimoyo]

I figured I throw my 1 cent in, those KZ skimmers are crap. Any beckett that has that small of a water volume and keeps the water that low in a skimmer can use a smaller pump. Pure bs marketing.

There's a point where over sizing actually hurts you. Initially the skimmer will be wonderous and amazing, then after 4-6 months you will wonder why my $$$$ cha-ching grossly overpriced skimmer is not producing anything except tea water. Large misconception is that owners then wonder why they still have readable Po4 & No3 levels and some slight hair algae growing on their favorite blue tort. When over skimming, yes you have maximized the extraction of proteins and whatever that scientific garble is for attraction to bubbles but.............. it does not eliminate Po4, No3. Helps, but does not eliminate.

Warren always coming thru with the insightful posts. I'm going to take it a step further. If skimmers don't get everything out of the water when should a skimmer stop focusing on a certain amount of water. Making up some numbers say it takes 1 minute to clean 1 gal of dirty water 50% and 2 minutes to clean that same gal of water 60%, is it worth the extra minute to clean an extra 10%? The more you try to clean the harder it gets to clean. Those are some bullshit numbers but its how I look at becketts versus needlewheels. Becketts usually maximize the flow thru rate where needlewheels minimize it. You could cut the exit pipes off the needlewheels and bring the flowthru rate up 3x but then you would see that the air input is lacking for the volume of the skimmer. At the same time you would need more pumps for air and bigger pumps to push the water thru which means more electricity. With most beckett skimmers there is a high ratio of air input to water volume but with recirculating needlewheels its the opposite. At a certain point you have to wonder whats the use of skimming the same water over and over again as opposed to pushing new water thru the skimmer. Most of these skimmers mentioned here look nice (not the KZ) but what you get for that extra 50-100w with some of the nicer becketts is 3x the flow thru rate and a whole lot more air contact. When I had my barr sk5200 it did a little more air than the reeflo and pushed the water 3x as fast and had a very nice air to water volume ratio (smaller water volume) but I paid more electricity for it. I was using 248W on the barr and the reeflo is rated at 120W but that doesn't include a feed pump. So if we add an eheim 1260 for the reeflo that cuts the wattage difference in half. At this point people will say but you can gravity feed the reeflo and not need a feed pump, well, you can also return the beckett directly into the tank and not need a return pump which isn't very hard to do.

It cost me $200 from some wierd little asian dood that a fish killer I have a fish closet again P. It goes in there until the day I get bored again.

Kasei

Seriously man, can I buy that from you??

 

[cali_reef]

Seriously man, can I buy that from you??

I got first dibs on that :smash:

 

[kimoyo]

I got first dibs on that :smash:

But you see, I have time on my side. When your in the rain state and Kasei is ogling some new reef thing I'll be patiently waiting for the for sale thread.:Up_to_som

 

[cali_reef]

I have proxies