open discussion on LFS!!!!

[DEEPWATER]

UPDATE ON this Thread

I will open this thread in full force in a day or so.This will be Act 2 of my secret friend issue.:wink1:
I want to say from the bottom of my heart srry in advance.
Pls dont ask what happen,I will post it in a little bit ,,,Just wait till you hear about the LFS ppl support.Why you should not buy from them and buy from online sellers.
Why you should not support them is going to be this issue coming.
Pls stay tuned.

PS ,I will be very adult about what i have to say.This Effects every single one of us on the board,Since what happen came from someone on MR or watching in.:scratch:

PS ,thx for bring this thread up it came in a great time :kiss:

 

[aaron23]

thats so nice deepwater i so feel at home now.... hehe
There's a LFS in queens called FISH TOWN i rate it a 9 out of 10 b/c all of their fish is wild / imported but very good prices, WAY too good some times...

A lot of LFS's are out for making the extra buck i mean the thread on reef central about petco and them recruiting only sales reps and people with business majors.
There's a store in Long Island quite far from you guys in brklyn. Its called Pet Barn. I use to go visit pet barn when i was small because my cousin lived near by and we'd always check out their stuff and never buy anything cuz i was weeeee small like 5. I always return back to them because they have a really extremely knowledgable guy very dependable not caring whether or not he sells you anything b/c i always bug him about prices. They dont care how much you buy just that I myself would like to help out this LFS a privately owned store by one owner. A very nice guy and willing to work anybody anytime. I'd just like to say a big thanks to Pet Barn been up for over 12 YEARS STRONG !~ Nice saltwater selection / freshwater selecion / dog / cat / bird / reptiles everything you name it. very nice place and corals are very decently priced.

Pets of New Hyde Park is undergoing worker issues I believe. Their only saltwater guy in the department left, their aquariums are filled with red cyno. dead decaying clams and torches / hammers falling apart like liquid, not a pretty sight.

There's one last LFS near me Reefs and Rivers ltd.
This guys kind of unique will give you his opinion on whatever its on. What is so special about his store is that what he gets in is what it is. By that i mean he does not use copper or any type of medicine in his aquariums. If the fish come in sick he lets nature take its course and lets the fish fight off the disease. Its kind of cool because his fish are in top tip eating condition. Guys very friendly. Nice corals and decent saltwater fish selection.

I'd like to attend that frag swap in brooklyn and hope to see many of you there =].
Aaron.

 

[DEEPWATER]

Unfortunately, I have some bad news. It appears that several local fish stores all decided to call my supplier for the salt that I was ordering for everyone here on the boards. The fish stores threatened to pull their orders from the supplier unless he shut me down. Thus I am not sure that the salt will be available at that price, if at all. I do not know which stores it was, they have not been forthcoming to me, but I hope they do speak up for themselves. This impacts every member of this board that buys things from the little guys like me, who really care about the hobby. I am really disappointed that this crippled our ability to do complete this order together. Sorry guys.

I will reimburse anyone with cash or coral purchases. I am also working on replacing your paypal fees as well, because that will be out of my own pocket. I just don't want you guys to take the hit for this.


Ronen
Deepwater Extreme

 

[Deanos]

Grrr...that's not cool, but I may cash in on a coral purchase

One thing...in your Instant Ocean salt thread, you stated the following:

this wil be on sale till the suppliers sale is over ,About 2 weeks or so .
I cant say how much it will be ,not much more without he sale.As i said ill do my best .

Wouldn't it stand to reason that other LFS would also jump in on the sale the supplier was offering as well. Since I'm not in the business, perrhaps you could explain. If, say, 10 LFS (including yourself) attempt to buy a limited # of salt boxes, who/what determines which LFS gets their order filled? Is it first come, first serve, largest order first, oldest customer, best customer etc? Was it the supplier who stated you were being targeted? Maybe the supplier has bad intentions and figured this would be the easiest pill to swallow on possibly not honoring your order. :scratch: Call me.

 

[DEEPWATER]

Grrr...that's not cool, but I may cash in on a coral purchase

One thing...in your Instant Ocean salt thread, you stated the following:



Wouldn't it stand to reason that other LFS would also jump in on the sale the supplier was offering as well. .

NO
they are LFS who supplys from the same place ,so why buy it form me for a few buck more when they could get it for the them

 

[Deanos]

NO
they are LFS who supplys from the same place ,so why buy it form me for a few buck more when they could get it for the them

:scratch: What?? You are sleepy :joke: Go back to sleep and call me when you wake up.

 

[DEEPWATER]

Well now that this is out ,I will reopen this thread ,and see if after this you guy have the same outcome on the LFS that you pay big money too
Im am a bit pissed off so i cant say nice word abou them anyomore

But this is the reason why this thread was started by me,Which may had made some enemies but that good ,only shows me that they are scared of what i can do.
LFS ,lets have some fun ,I lost money ,Lets see how much i can make you loss ,Hmm ,you are public store right ,whoich means anyone cn walk in ,HMM wonder if i have some friends out there that might wantto help out ,HMM Il lthink about it ..But remeber you guys(lfs ) have lots and i mean lots more to loss then i do ,,



well guess what ,,I wiil soon give up all the wholesale prices to the members on MR ,so they will know exactly how you pay for thing ,and they will deside where to by from ,I will now make it my business to break every singlew one of you 1 by 1 by chopping my prices down next to nothing.
Wel ldont be surprised on what i have to say in the future.It wont be nice

 

[DEEPWATER]

thats so nice deepwater i so feel at home now.... hehe
There's a LFS in queens called FISH TOWN i rate it a 9 out of 10 b/c all of their fish is wild / imported but very good prices, WAY too good some times...

A lot of LFS's are out for making the extra buck i mean the thread on reef central about petco and them recruiting only sales reps and people with business majors.
There's a store in Long Island quite far from you guys in brklyn. Its called Pet Barn. I use to go visit pet barn when i was small because my cousin lived near by and we'd always check out their stuff and never buy anything cuz i was weeeee small like 5. I always return back to them because they have a really extremely knowledgable guy very dependable not caring whether or not he sells you anything b/c i always bug him about prices. They dont care how much you buy just that I myself would like to help out this LFS a privately owned store by one owner. A very nice guy and willing to work anybody anytime. I'd just like to say a big thanks to Pet Barn been up for over 12 YEARS STRONG !~ Nice saltwater selection / freshwater selecion / dog / cat / bird / reptiles everything you name it. very nice place and corals are very decently priced.

Pets of New Hyde Park is undergoing worker issues I believe. Their only saltwater guy in the department left, their aquariums are filled with red cyno. dead decaying clams and torches / hammers falling apart like liquid, not a pretty sight.

There's one last LFS near me Reefs and Rivers ltd.
This guys kind of unique will give you his opinion on whatever its on. What is so special about his store is that what he gets in is what it is. By that i mean he does not use copper or any type of medicine in his aquariums. If the fish come in sick he lets nature take its course and lets the fish fight off the disease. Its kind of cool because his fish are in top tip eating condition. Guys very friendly. Nice corals and decent saltwater fish selection.

I'd like to attend that frag swap in brooklyn and hope to see many of you there =].
Aaron.

HEy arron just remember you are now goingto pay more money for salt
Cuz of the LFS that you call good ,you where going to pay 30 bux for 200 gal ,now you can pay 45 for 160 gal from the store or 40 to your house from online seller ,and then go and buy stock from the LFS that just screwed as over
just to let you know
Its azaming how many ppl on the board are so good with this hobby yet you will but from FT ,mor like FISH DEATH CAMP ,this is what you suppot
not fish for 10 bux :wink1:

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

I wonder ronen is there an e-mail address or a phone number we can call to complain about this to the supplier? I would be satisfied in stating I will never shop at those LFS's again (not that I do at all anyway).

A stop shopping/e-mail campaign might be all you need to put these guys on notice. They key to good buisiness is not to bash the competition but to make yourself look good so that they make themselves look bad. Obviously they don't abide by the rules of buisiness.

 

[DEEPWATER]

I wonder ronen is there an e-mail address or a phone number we can call to complain about this to the supplier? I would be satisfied in stating I will never shop at those LFS's again (not that I do at all anyway).

A stop shopping/e-mail campaign might be all you need to put these guys on notice. They key to good buisiness is not to bash the competition but to make yourself look good so that they make themselves look bad. Obviously they don't abide by the rules of buisiness.

true very true ,but i wil try my best no tto bash them ,but cant promise after this,If they can prove me worng about what i have to say about them ,Plz let them join this,But i dont see trying .only back stabbing ,so i guess om up for that game for a while:sgrin:

 

[inkblue]

roNen, doNt forGet karma ...tW0 wrongS doNt make a rigHt, juSt d0 wHat yoU d0 and good intenTions wiLL paVe youR road to suCcesS :smokin: :icon16: :approve:

 

[scarf_ace1981]

i shopped @ NWA for both african cichlids and now for my SW reef. i see now how expensive they are compared to ronen. i'll take a longer trip over to ronen's rather than go to NWA from now on. plus ronen has more variety in his place than NWA. NWA zoos and shrooms are pricey and not great. their LPS are ok.

ronen keep it up bud-i'm supporting you.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Welcome Scarf thank you for supporting MR and Ronen

 

[alrha]

Ronen, it is very easy to beat them at their own game, and now you have earned every right to.

Any reservations you may have had at undercutting the LFS prices can now be thrown out.

They have violated free business practices and have essentially resorted to extortion practices.

At the end of the day, they have high rents, and incompetent workers as expenses they must compensate for. You do not have either, as such, you can easily make more than them even when charging less.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Call 311 Report it to better buisness and maybe they can suggest a few other places to complain to as well.

 

[griMReefer]

Any reservations you may have had at undercutting the LFS prices can now be thrown out.

They have violated free business practices and have essentially resorted to extortion practices.

At the end of the day, they have high rents, and incompetent workers as expenses they must compensate for. You do not have either, as such, you can easily make more than them even when charging less.

oh cool, Ronen OWNS his LFS location?? go Ronen!!! that's 100 X more stability than many of the other LFS, right there.

:yeah: :wow:

 

[DRZL]

I think he sells out of his house/apt dude

very exclusive, only V.I.P's

 

[DEEPWATER]

I think he sells out of his house/apt dude

very exclusive, only V.I.P's

:approve: :approve:

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

About NWA, FishTown USA and more

Prices in NWA is NOT ALL bad.

Thie cichilds are good priced, and their sale setup are good too. For example, $299 for a 46 bow front tank, (nonsense) top and light, stand when purchase with a filter is not bad.

But when it comes to salt water stuff you could not believe your eyes. They are in general double of most other stores I been to. My virgin setup I got from a reefer who basically give all the LS free could have worth over $500 there.

Their fresh water plants are relatively high but not as bad as salt water stuff.

Attitude is VERY bad.
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Back in the days, when I am supplying krill and discuss to LFS, I noticed many imported fish arrive LFS dead and many are of bad health. A practice with low priced shops is to put the unhealthy ones into tank as well, hoping them to be sold before they die. Bad business practice but not unsympathetic. Not sure if that's the case of FishTown USA-not enough data to tell. While some seemingly kind and caring shop would just throw those away as well. Only a few will try to cure them. My personal tick is to give those a chance to live.
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Petland Discount on 18th Ave Brooklyn is terrible with fish. They kill more fish than selling them. Before, they put new inventory into the tank they would completely vacum the tank so that all sand is clean(so not much beneficial bacteria would survive). Then they put NEW water into the tank directly so it looks VERY clear. Then they put new fish in. You can see whole bag of good moving fish go up for air in 3 mintues and than sink to the bottom in 10 and let die. I gave up returning fish to them under warranty cause they also have major attitude upon returning LS.
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One thing I want to remind LFS is that, if without the good deals in MR or something like that I would never have gone into saltwater reefing in the first place and would never at least try looking for FT when they have a sale. That is, to win the competition, LFS should not limit the competitor's supply in an unfair business practice but to introduce newer, better, and less priced items to the customers. Of course, nice attitudes and better networking always make me go back to buy from that store. We are in a free trade society. For example, a lot of dance schools offer initial free sessions that always in turns get the students to pay for the future ones. That's one thing they can and should do to attrack customers. Think why are we always logging into MR-good deals, good info, good networks and good people!
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[griMReefer]

Prices in NWA is NOT ALL bad.

Thie cichilds are good priced, and their sale setup are good too. For example, $299 for a 46 bow front tank, (nonsense) top and light, stand when purchase with a filter is not bad.

But when it comes to salt water stuff you could not believe your eyes. They are in general double of most other stores I been to. My virgin setup I got from a reefer who basically give all the LS free could have worth over $500 there.

Their fresh water plants are relatively high but not as bad as salt water stuff.

Attitude is VERY bad.
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Back in the days, when I am supplying krill and discuss to LFS, I noticed many imported fish arrive LFS dead and many are of bad health. A practice with low priced shops is to put the unhealthy ones into tank as well, hoping them to be sold before they die. Bad business practice but not unsympathetic. Not sure if that's the case of FishTown USA-not enough data to tell. While some seemingly kind and caring shop would just throw those away as well. Only a few will try to cure them. My personal tick is to give those a chance to live.
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Petland Discount on 18th Ave Brooklyn is terrible with fish. They kill more fish than selling them. Before, they put new inventory into the tank they would completely vacum the tank so that all sand is clean(so not much beneficial bacteria would survive). Then they put NEW water into the tank directly soi it looks VERY clear. Then they put fish it. You can see whole bag of good moving fish go for for air in 3 mintues and than sank to the bottom in 10. I gave up returning fish to them under warranty cause they also have major attitude upon returning LS.
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One thing I want to remind LFS is that, if without the good deals in MR or something like that I would never have gone into saltwater reefing in the first place and would never at least try looking for FT when they have a sale. That is, to win the competition, LFS should not limit the competitor's supply in an unfair business practice but to introduce newer, better, and less priced items to the customers. Of course, nice attitudes and better networking always make me go back to buy from that store. We are in a free trade society. For example, a lot of dance school offer initial free sessions that always in turns get the students to pay for the future ones. That's one thing they can and should do to attrack customers. Think why are we always logging into MR-good deals, good info, good networks and good people!
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love the synopsis mate!

the way i see it there are puppy mills, there are kitty mills, and there are aquaria mills too, the poacher version of it at least.

each dead or sick fish in the tanks counts as a negative feedback the store has given themself. warning signs.

the only exception being tanks specifically, boldly labelled "these fish not for sale" which you just don't see anymore these days as some retailers especially in our urban setting cash in on as spontaneous people "bringing home nemo" just don't know better or can't wait inadvertently will buy the petstore's dying fish, increasing their would be profit.