might be a sensitive subject

[alrha]

now the sore-loosers are giving their speeches.

Bottom line, a free-capitalistic-market with smaller governemnt intervention (Republican philosophy) is always the best way to go. Forcing those who make money to fork it over and give it to the government to do with is as they please (Democratic philosophy) and try to redistribute the wealth in the country so that everyone can be equal (regardless of how hard they work) is a lot closer to Communism and Socialism than to Democracy.

(for some reason i was among the only 20% of Jews that voted for Bush - i find this hard to believe considering that Ariel Sharon endorsed Bush and Yasser Arafat the terrorist endorsed Kerry.)

 

[Barnacle_Blenny]

Bush 4 years again! hold me mommy it's getting dark and scary again. Give us back Clinton please! I'll even take Gore with a side of Kerry.

Cameron Diaz should have never cried about young people not voting. She should of flashed america with vote kerry written on her breasts. That would have gotten there attention and Kerry would have won.

 

[imported_June]

loll

 

[wedfr]

The problem here is with comments like

(for some reason i was among the only 20% of Jews that voted for Bush - i find this hard to believe considering that Ariel Sharon endorsed Bush and Yasser Arafat the terrorist endorsed Kerry.)

" too wet behind the ears" and for the most part is still living off of Mommy and Daddy so what responsibility do they have, what do they know about Mortgages,health insurance Social Security etc,"

Everyone just wants to vote for their cause. They have no vision and no sence of what is right for the country.

The resaon i voted for kerry was the fact that i dont like conservatives taking away my rights and turning the country into a church.
I also wanted someone who the rest of the world respected as our leader. Half this country thinks the guy is a moron what do you think the rest of the world thinks. We need someone who will start to redeem world opinion of us and give us credibility again.

The damn midwest and south is too caught up in abortin, gay rights, and their values. To think about the bigger issues.

Thats my 2 cents

 

[imported_June]

i couldn't have put it better myself ;0).....Bush =Moron.....and thats Americans opinion.....so just imagine what other world leaders think about Bush.....we're gonna smoke em out!..ehehehehe

 

[4angel]

Dam first the Yankees and now Kerry I know a bunch of guys on this board that are getting ready to JUMP!! Hay lets take a break from the world and look at our tanks.

Now in the words of Frank Castanza repeat after me SERENITY NOW SERENITY NOW.....

[ November 03, 2004, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: 4angel ]

 

[imported_June]

loll Angel!!!!.....dont tell me you went for Bush!...yea back to tanks ;0)

 

[Barnacle_Blenny]

So what do you think about the cameron diaz idea for next time guys.

 

[imported_June]

not gonna need cameron diaz.......next time BUSH WONT BE THERE....his time will be up

 

[chrisl1]

Let's see here, a comment like
"Everyone just wants to vote for their cause. They have no vision and no sence of what is right for the country."
I don't see anyone telling you who to vote for,but I see you showing your cause pretty clearly below.

"The resaon i voted for kerry was the fact that i dont like conservatives taking away my rights and turning the country into a church."
What right has been stripped away? With all the platforming I saw for this election no where did I see Bush say and when I'm re -elected I will force my beliefs, you all should go to church every day.
Fact check---Kerry is a religious man, and last I checked the Pledge of alegience which is something every AMERICAN CITIZEN has stated and is supposed to have some faith in also states ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, sounds like another attempt of our forefathers and heritage to make our country a church.
and "I also wanted someone who the rest of the world respected as our leader."
If the rest of the world thinks this guy is a moron, why would he get endorsed by people like Blair and Sharon.

" Half this country thinks the guy is a moron what do you think the rest of the world thinks. We need someone who will start to redeem world opinion of us and give us credibility again." Meeting with the rest of the world leaders stating "I have a plan" is not going to give us credibility, the credibility is already at hand, meaning we may be going at the war on terror with few allies, but we are showing the rest of the world we really don't need them to protect ourselves and make a better, safer place to live for ourselves and our future generations.

"The damn midwest and south is too caught up in abortin, gay rights, and their values. To think about the bigger issues."
Sad thing to do is criticize people that do have values, People that believe in family and are brought up with a set of morals, values and decency are morons? I think we need to re evaluate who they really are, the morons that is.
If Kerry represents those kind of people we really have a dim future.

Don't mean to offend, but that's my 2 cents.

 

[chrisl1]

Now back to the FISH !

 

[marrone]

Originally posted by alrha:
now the sore-loosers are giving their speeches.

Bottom line, a free-capitalistic-market with smaller governemnt intervention (Republican philosophy) is always the best way to go. Forcing those who make money to fork it over and give it to the government to do with is as they please (Democratic philosophy) and try to redistribute the wealth in the country so that everyone can be equal (regardless of how hard they work) is a lot closer to Communism and Socialism than to Democracy.

It's it funny how the perception that Republican's are for smaller government and less government intervention yet the government is larger now than every. The Republican's talk small government but want to regulate women rights for abortion, people right to their lifestyles and what people can do and say on tv and radio, relgion. Not to mention banding books because they don't agree which what in them. Also all the favors that companies get that are in with the Republican's. Thoses companies which give big donation to them, than the Republican's letting them get monopolies in industries making it impossible for people to get access into that industry or setting it so that they control the industry and can raise prices to what every they want. Remember the engery meeting that the Chaney had with the people in the enegery industry to try and do what best for them. Doesn't sound like a free capitalistic market system to me.

As for taking money away from people to give it to poor people to equalize the balances, does it seem funny that after 4 years of Bush their a bigger gap in wealth among people than ever before not to mention the largest deffict every. Isn't it funny how the Republican's want to cut people's ot pay, kinda funny taking money away from hard working people, guess who that surpose to help not the hard working people. What is worse welfare to people who need it or corporate wealth to people and business that don't need it, where the middle class is footing the bill. I think the biggest joke is to give large tax breaks to the rich, so they'll have extra money to hire people and start business. Sounds great doesn't it, kinda like communism great on paper but it just doesn't work.

No one wants to pay taxes but taxes are need to support the army, government employee that support all kinds of fuctions and also not to mention school. So it great when the government cuts the taxes but that revenue needs to be made up from some where, and the pipe dream that if you cut the taxes on the rich they'll hire more people or put money into new business and there is where the revenue's will come from but is just that a pipe dream. So where does the revenue's come from? Property taxes are raised, parking ticket and surcharges added, sale tax raised and assessment charged to people.

The last 16 years we have had 8 years each of a Republican and Democratic president and if anyone can say that the 8 years were better on the Republican watch, than the Democratic, they're only fooling themselves.

 

[marrone]

Originally posted by chrisl1:

What right has been stripped away? With all the platforming I saw for this election no where did I see Bush say and when I'm re -elected I will force my beliefs, you all should go to church every day.

Chrisl1

I think your just one of those Neo-Cons that is complete in denial. The Rep. whant to take away alot of people's right and enforce force there beliefs on people. The relious right are major backers of the Rep. and the Rep. cater to them.

Also last time I look the government was setup to have a seperation of church and state. If someone doesn't want to go along with something, whether it's relgion or something else it's is there right now to.

As for the world thinking that Bush is an moron? Come on now, how many people actually think he really is smart.

 

[imported_June]

and like i labeled the topic....... A SENSITIVE SUBJECT...lol

 

[jackson6745]

ummm....I do water changes once per week

 

[imported_June]

hahahahha jackson!!

 

[chrisl1]

Marrone
Well if you're speaking of abortion and same sex marriage, lets start with the simple one Marriage.
"A man and woman legally living together as husband and wife."
"The act of uniting a man and woman for life... Marriage was instituted by God himself. . . . "Marriage is honorable in all. . . ." Heb. 13. Marriage: ...men and woman are joined in a special kind of social and legal dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family. . . an intimate or close union " two simple definitions you can find on a GOOGLE SEARCH, none of which contain man man woman woman, I have no problem with either and I applaude people for their honesty and commitment, but the union is not a marriage. term it something else and maybe the neo -cons will get off the case.

I have to agree yes there is seperation of church and state, and I don't necessarily agree that the govt should interfere unless it has been brought into the equation, now we can get back to Abortion, a woman should have the right to choose, to either have a child and support it, love it and care for it or give it up for adoption to those who will, thats the choice, not I made a mistake sleeping with this guy and now im pregnant and dont want it. If I lay down to have sex I should be preparred for the consequence, I don't think that it should be used as a form of birth control. Now, there is always a circumstance that needs special attention, example being a woman gets raped, then I think the choice should be there.
Let's go one further removing prayer time in schools and removing reference to God in the Pledge, there's a democratic boo boo, maybe those neo-cons are disquising themselves.

No one ever said Bush is a genius, I would never imply that but, being a bad public speaker hardly makes you a moron.

 

[chrisl1]

This damn thread is taking away from my water change time tonight. lol

 

[alrha]

yes, it is indeed a good subject for the topic. at the same time it is fun to debate the issues amonst ourselves. i just hope that nobody here is taking offense or taking things personally because then this doesnt work, it just a matter of debating out opinons and not personal attacks, after all, we are all reefers.

now:
if we were gonna sit back and wait for the french, and the germans, and the russians to all back us, we'd still be waiting, and terrorist camps would still be training. look at russia, they didnt want to be involved in the war on terror, did that stop terrorists from killing hundreds of russian children? this isnt a war that you can either be involved in or not, the fact is that there are terrorist in the world and their one goal is to kill and terrorize us. so we can either sit back and let them attack out cities (like on 9/11) or we can go and bring the war to their cities. the attacks and terrorism is now in iraq and afganistan, not in Manhattan. plus they get more involved now in defending themselves that it is more difficult to plan attacks. dont you think they wanted to attack us again since 9/11? but the only thing they were able to to was send tapes, not bombs. The one main responsibility of any government is to protect its citizens no matter the cost or consequences. later on, the world will appreciate the blow we deliver to terrorism. as an example in Israel. back in the 80's the Israeli Air Force launched a premtive strike on iraq nuclear reactors. did they wait for world approval? no. did they get reprimanded? yes. would israel exist today had they not done that? no. Is the world now thankful that Saddam did not have nuclear weapons in this war thanks to Israels actions? YES. you can now ask the same questions and replace israel with america and will see that its no different.

i will save the domestic issues for another post, this one is already long.
but just in a nutshel, if somebody wants to throw a child in the garbage and kill it, we do not say that "well, the govt shouldnt get involved, its the mother's choice" what we do is put that mother in jail for murder. all the govt is doing is deciding at what point is a fetus considered live and killing it an act of murder. its not taking away a woman's right to anything but her right to murder which is a right that nobody has.

p.s. i never claimed to view bush as the smartest man in the world, but his policies are better, and i vote for his policies.
as far as voting for one's personal views rather than the good of the country - well the point of a democracy is that everyone votes for whats best for them and we then add up the votes to see whats best for everyone. nobody will vote for someone who says "no more taxes" to save money in their pocket if that will also mean no more garbage pickup and no more clean water. but we can chose exactly how much we want to pay in taxes and how much we expect back from the governemnt. personally, i dont want to pay social security taxes if by the time i'm of age to collect, the money's not there. i'd rather keep that money in a savings account or invest it and i'll know the money will be there when i need it.

[ November 03, 2004, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: alrha ]

 

[chrisl1]

Have to agree there again Albert.
Especially on the domestic part.