sharkbait69

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Looks to me that they incorporated some Bubble King into this series and my thinking is that if these were not better than their current skimmers they would not have created them. So I do believe I will be getting something better/more efficient than an AP702 at a comparable price.
Not an attack on you just a belief. working in R&D for a certain company.
you can paint a turd to look different and call it new and improved.
When it comes to the value, well Deltec is clearly not the bargain brand. There are always going to be cheaper skimmers out there, but with Deltec you are paying up for the name/reputation, the quality, and the service.
I also believe a certain quote fits here. ' I can crap in a box and slap a guarantee sticker on it. Now you have a guaranteed piece of crap.
What ever floats your boat, if you like the skimmer then go for it. When I compare apples to apples, I need to see a big difference over one from another.
 

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well i would hardly call a Deltec a piece of crap. but to each their own.
Not calling deltec a piece of crap. i have no working experience with them.
The crap comment was more of 'point of direction'. like I said, a company uses the 'new and improved' term a little loosely, now a days. They change one thing and its now, 'new and improved' now real design change or structure change but its new and improved.
If you like, by all means, show it off.
I?m just being reintroduced to pinwheel skimmers again. My/our first skimmer was a lime wood block, back in the 80?s then on to some junk pinwheel then to becketts. Now back to pinwheel.
If I can see how a deltec equal to the pinwheel pump I?m running now is better , who knows I might be picking a deltec up my self, and graciously eat the crow you to serve me.
 

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got it, no worries - i dont take these things personally.
Deltec is quite well respected in the hobby for their quality and their reputation, and if they tried to pass off a poor piece of equipment as new and improved they would be selling out their reputation. can you imagine rolls royce selling a car which performs worse than a volkswagen? point is, even if a rolls royce is an overpriced car, there is still a high standard for what they sell in order to maintain their reputation and continue to demand a premium for their product. (i would say the same by the way regarding bubble king and other "premium brand" skimmers, not just about Deltec)
I will tell you that i cant compare to other brands as I have only used Deltec skimmers on my tank, I know that if you search online you will always find people which prefer a particular brand/type of skimmer. There is always someone asking which is the "Best Skimmer" and the answers are always "there is no Best Skimmer" - i just know that I have been satisfied with Deltec and really have to reason to switch at this point. Some reefers try many different skimmers till they decide on the one they like best, personally, Deltec is expensive enough and I am not looking to buy 3-4 different skimmers then try and sell the ones i didnt like.
bottom line, i have no reason to believe this skimmer will be any worse than the ones i've used and i have been happy with them, so i am willing to go out and continue with it. Once I have it up and running, I will be able to tell you to what extent i am satisfied with it (again, without comparing it to other brands which i have not tried).
Should arrive monday.
 

cali_reef

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would you at least agree that they are better than the current models?

I never really liked the AP701 I have, it's alright but IMO not worth the price tag. H&S is a better built skimmer in the similar price range.

The one skimmer running at MACNA did not impress me for the MSRP price, you can get a newer BM in the same price range that can produce more bubbles with better material and build. They may not have it set up properly and I did not try to play with it.

Poeple feel differntly about how much a skimmer cost vs. how good it skims. Some think they have the best skimmer:lol2:, while they have only owned and tried the POS MRC, Euroreef, seaclone, etc...
 

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I never really liked the AP701 I have, it's alright but IMO not worth the price tag. H&S is a better built skimmer in the similar price range
I found the Deltec ap701 is much better than the h&S
I have tried almost ever skimmer built and found the Deltec's to be as good as any top skimmer.
 

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I found the Deltec ap701 is much better than the h&S
I have tried almost ever skimmer built and found the Deltec's to be as good as any top skimmer.

thats precisely my point. i have not tried the other brands, but of those who have, Deltec often takes good standing in comparison.
 

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My feeling is that once you get into those "high" end brands, they all will do the job, it a personal preference........BMW or Mercedes? at that point you know you are going to get a great car regardless.

i had a BK mini and now own a SWC, yes the BK uses higher end materials and does a great job of skimming but so does my SWC at a fraction of the cost.
 

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hard to truelly tell how well a skimmer works till after it has been running in a system atleast a month, wish i did have the $ to try a deltec or bk. but i never keep them long enough to justify that much $ lost in a resale,
 

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In all honesty, i still believe a good beckett skimmer will out perform any of these needlewheel skimmers regardless of price. you just can't compare because of the contact time of the size requirements of becketts. so it really comes down to how efficient the pumps are on these needle wheel skimmers that really makes them stand out.
 

cali_reef

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In all honesty, i still believe a good beckett skimmer will out perform any of these needlewheel skimmers regardless of price. you just can't compare because of the contact time of the size requirements of becketts. so it really comes down to how efficient the pumps are on these needle wheel skimmers that really makes them stand out.

Another important factor is the lower noise level of the needle\pin\mash wheel skimmers. "Good" Beckett skimmer choices and avilibility are limited:bablefish, otherwise, I do agree they perform much better than all the high end skimmers costing 3-4x more.
 
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sharkbait69

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Another important factor is the lower noise level of the needle\pin\mash wheel skimmers. "Good" Beckett skimmer choices and avilibility are limited:bablefish, otherwise, I do agree they perform much better than all the high end skimmers costing 3-4x more.

Cali, you don't like MRC ? Why? I could not see me running my systems with out MRC, the service has been great since they cleaned up the company and the 'guy' was forced to take some time and think about his actions.
I love the skimmers and i love the service i get.
 

cali_reef

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Cali, you don't like MRC ? Why?

:irked: This thread is going to get side tracked :lol2:..


The "guy" is a liar and convicted sex offender serving time for child porn. I think the company is now own by someone else that have prior ties with him. This was discovered a year or two after my dealings with him.

I had post questions about the crappy quality MRC skimmer I bought on RC years ago and instead of answering questions and defend his product, he tried to get me ban from the site with the help of a mod that had received a free skimmer from him. I been in the hobby long enough that quit a few mods there knows me personally and defended me, as I was not the only one he tried to mute opinions from. His local dealer had lied and told people in LIRA that I was offered a free replace skimmer and I just wanted to cause trouble, not true and I would not have changed my opinion and being public about it anyway.

4 out of the 5 MRC skimmers I have seen in person had some kind of cracks in the reaction tube to box joint and every one of the beckett tubes leaked, defeating the purpose of having a control valve for air control. Including the two his local dealer was using in his system. Have you looked at the hole where the air control valve goes into the beckett tube? drilling a hole on the side of tube weakens the tube and the hole is not round but oval, and the thread will not hold the valve properly.

Beckett skimmer is not his design and I think it's a poorly copied product with poor craftsmanship and subpar material choices. Barr aquatics improved the beckett concept with a bubble director\plate (similar to what every pin\needle wheel skimmer is doing now), the quality and material used on the skimmer is way better. Each tube to plate joint is in a grooved channel, giving the joint more surface area for a stronger bond, and there are no holes made in any curved surface. It's a shame that Barr has a real job and ended up selling the business to someone else, it was one of the better quality skimmers I have used. I am still holding on to one, just incase I set up a tank in a location where noise is not an issue.
 
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cali u ever had a small tank other then a frag tank or holding tank ? if i ever had a big tank id definately go with a becket or downdraft skimmer, even though i did like the h&s at macna and helped a friend pick up a h&s 200 with twin ehiems for a 300g build. out of all the skimmers ive owned my fav has been the etss sump buddy 40, but tank is next to bedroom door and noise was a little much to handle in the dead silent of night.
 

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Here she is...

arrived well packaged and in perfect condition
 

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alrha

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well to start:

Turbo1060S pulls 1050 lts/air/hour using three pumps, the TC2560 produces 1500-1800 lts/air/hr using only one pump (plus a feed pump if not plumbed into the drain). * note: these are Deltec's reported values, not my own tested values. The TC2560 is also much larger than the Turbo1060S and requires a lot more room plus plumbing. With my prior setup with space constraints, the Turbo definitely gave me the most skimmer for my space. Considering that my system has almost doubled in volume and with the added space of a fish room, the TC2560 is a better fit for me now.
 

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