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tommy1618

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well i have a case of the ick which im treating for. i just lost a tang which had brown patches. now another tang has similiar spots. i recent swapped tanks which caused stress but all was fine until today. ammonia is @ .50 0 on nitrate and nitrite. ph is about 8 but dont wanna raise to fast. any ideas? it is a reef tank and corals are fine. so i dont really think its my parameters although i added carbon to my sump to help. please help, any ideas/suggestions would be greatly appericated
 

TRIGGERMAN

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What did you do now Tom? lol Brown spots sound like fungus..ich is white spots. Look into vitamin C dosing it's great for your fish's immune system. I have been dosing vitamin C the last few months my clown had some brown on him he looks wayyyy better now
 

tommy1618

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ill try it man, thanks. hoping nothing else goes. got some bacteria to boost my tanks immune system. say a prayer. well in a better convo, corals are great. tank looks great. i bought some coral from will c, tank was nice but his system was nuts! through the floor....just amazing. gotta see it. when u coming out this way??
 

JARRETT SHARK

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sound like you may have velvet disease:

read this:
The name sounds nice, but don't be fooled. Velvet is one of the more common diseases in aquarium fish, and can strike down every inhabitant in the tank before the hapless owner realizes what he or she is dealing with. Also known as Rust or Gold Dust disease, it is caused by one of several species of a tiny parasite known as O?dinium.
O?dinium is a dinoflagellate, a creature classified by some as a protozoan and by others as algae because it contains Chlorophyll. O?dinium doesn't care how it's classified, it's an equal opportunity parasite that stikes fresh and saltwater fish. In freshwater fish Velvet is caused by either O?dinium pilularis or O?dinium limneticum. In marine fish O?dinium ocellatum causes the dreaded Coral Fish disease. All three species have symptoms and lifecycles similar to the well known parasite, Ich.

O?dinium finds a fish and adheres using flagellum, then forms rod pseudopodia which penetrate the skin and soft tissues of the gills. The pseudopods destroy the cells and feed on the nutrients inside. After feeding and maturing, the parasite drops off the fish and divides into dozens of cells that are released into the water to seek hosts. They must find a host within 24 hours, or die.
O?dinium produces white pustules on the fish that are much finer than the spots seen in Ich. In fact they are so fine they are often not seen before the fish perishes. Like Ich, O?dinium is present in most commercial tanks, but only becomes a problem when the fish are stressed by poor quality water, changes in the water temperature, or being transported.
Symptoms:

Scratchs against hard objects
Fish is lethargic
Loss of appetite and weight loss
Rapid, labored breathing
Fins clamped against body
Fine yellow or rusty colored film on skin
In advanced stages skin peeks off Initially the fish rub against hard objects trying to dislodge the parasites. As the disease progresses the fish becomes lethargic, fins are held close to the body, appetite is reduced and the fish loses weight. A key symptom is difficult breathing, resulting in rapid gilling.

Perhaps the most telltale symptom is the appearance of a velvety film on the skin that resembles gold or rust colored dust. The film may be difficult to see, but can be more easily detected by directing a beam of a flashlight on the fish in a darkened room. The parasite is most often seen on the fins and gills. Velvet attacks all fish and will even affect fry that are only a few days old. Anabantoids, danios, goldfish, zebrafish, and killifish are particularly susceptible to velvet disease.

Treatment :

Raise water temperature
Dim lights for several days
Add aquarium salt
Treat with copper sulphate for ten days
Discontinue carbon filtration during treatment

Because Velvet is highly contagious and usually far advanced before being diagnosed, it is important to take steps to treat it as soon as possible. Treatment is targeted at the free-swimming stage of the parasite.
Copper sulphate is the treatment of choice. It should be used according to the manufacturers instructions for a full ten days to ensure that the parasite is completely eradicated. Atabrine (Quinacrine hydrochloride) is another medication that can be used to treat Velvet.
Because O?dinium is dependant on light, dimming the aquarium lights aids
 

KathyC

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Fungus would not look brown on a fish, it would look white.

Why not post a pic of the fish and perhaps we can figure out what is wrong with it.

Are you positive you also have ich, and please tell us how you are treating it?
 

tommy1618

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i was using kick ich, reef safe. but now my ammonia spiked due to tank swap i am concentrating on the most deadly im assuming by making water levels are correct.(mini cycle). i have lights off right now would love to take a pic but dont want to stress them anymore. its not near the gills, mid body i would say, dead tang had it closer to the tail. to give u an idea, fish is a lite gray and in a blotchy pattern is a dark gray. thanks for r help guys, very much appericated
 

KathyC

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Kick Ich is useless.

Did you adopt those fish that someone posted a week or two ago that he knew had Ich and put them in your reef tank anyway??

You need to do some massive water changes to get that ammonia level down.

Post the pics tomorrow, that is fine, as you said no sense in stressing them further now that the lights are off already.
 

tommy1618

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no i didnt take them from mr, my stepfathers tank sprung a leak, so he took down to replace it, his fish were stressed bad so i decided to help and foster until he builds his stand, still never stated 2 weeks now. anything reef safe that will rid of ich? i am adding garlic to food to help keep strong during these times
 

tommy1618

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patchogue ny
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i added carbon to help, bought some bacteria to help the the bio. i have kids and when there sick, i got the tussin, i feel hopeless and dont want to lose any other. i am running water now through the ro, takes time since i ran through reserve with the upgrade
 

KathyC

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ok,,thx.

There are NO reef safe potions out there that will rid a tank of Ich.
The ONLY way to eliminate it from a tank is for the tank to have zero fish for 6 - 8 weeks. Period.

Garlic MAY help the fish to continue to eat and the fish might (not likely, but might) become immune to the Ich, but the Ich will still be in your tank..forever.
 

KathyC

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is .50 that deadly or is it the stress from ich, ammonia, move poor fish

.50 ammonia added on top of Ich (which tend to kill fish because it attacks the gills so badly), is a really lousy combination.

Even if you do a 50% water change that ammonia number is only going to come down to .25.

I really hate to suggest the use of chemicals but you might want to consider a product like 'Ammo- Lock' which 'changes' the ammonia into a less toxic form -though it doesn't actually remove it- so you still need to do the water changes
 

KathyC

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Best to get the fish out of there...I see the tank is cycling, so you will still be going through the hike in the nitrite (way bad for fish) and nitrate yet.
All you will be doing by eliminating the ammonia is extending the length of the cycle...as that still has to happen.

Why are there corals in there?? Also from your stepfather?
Corals should not be in an uncycled tank :(
 

KathyC

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You still can be having a cycle. Unless something died in there - and you left it in the tank - you should not have an ammonia reading of .50 and have zero nitriates.
Keep in mind that the TANK itself - meaning all of the new surfaces of the glass and plumbing and your new sump have yet to grow bacteria on them. In a 150 g tank, that is a substantial area.

Bottom line, you need to knock down that ammonia number quickly.
 

tommy1618

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patchogue ny
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I will do all I can to keep em from the gas chamber. Will keep u posted. Thanks again cathy, 2nd time u helped me out, and seen some of ur other advice. Hopefully one day I will achieve ur knowledge and be able to offer advice. Practice makes perfect, but practice sure does hurt
 

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