Why must we name Corals ???????

[FaviaFreak]

this trend will never change. and most of this trend came from people taking fake picture's, and by fake i will use zoa's as the main example, ive been collecting zoa's for over 6 years, ive seen the same zoa's over the last 6 years, occasionally there is a new morph that pops up, but mainly it is just a new and better macro shot under different lighting, but watch everyone who posted on here selling a coral with a name. i can honestly say ive only seen a handful of corals that i would consider rare, but then again there are hundreds of importers so i truelly dont know how many have actually came it for it to be rare.

well said Rick man!

 

[jerl77]

ijust seen puff the majic dragon acro wtf only thing i puff in out of the ground lol
this is why we should not name corals
come on puff the majic dragon

 

[Chris Jury]

I understand why the marketing of LE, named, etc. corals has taken off among vendors over the last several years. It helps the corals sell much better and for much more money. What I don't understand is all the people willing to pay outrageous prices for nice corals while simultaneously passing over other nice corals that are lacking ridiculous names.

For example, a couple of years ago I saw a photo of the Watermelon chalice and thought it was a very nice coral. I looked around and found that it was selling for about $300 for a tiny chip. I laughed and moved on. Other corals that I find very beautiful I can find easily for 1/10th the price and for much larger pieces.

As for leaving rare corals in nature: what is considered rare or common in the hobby has almost nothing to do with what is rare or common in nature. For instance, I looked for years to find nice colonies of mounding Porites (e.g., P. lobata, P. lutea, P. australiensis, etc.). These are some of the most abundant corals on most reefs. Practically the only chance of finding them in the hobby is as Christmas tree rocks. A lot of the outrageously colored named corals in captivity are anything but rare in nature. On the other hand, corals such as Cyanarina lacrymalis (Doughnut coral) are generally quite easy to find for sale in captivity yet are fairly rare in nature. Similarly priced corals like many of the Euphyllia that are similarly easy to find for sale are quite common in nature. Rarity in the hobby means diddly about rarity in nature.

cj

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

sorry I dont sell to vendors :knockedou


OR I can make an exception only if you sell me those unhealthy clowns for 25 bucks.. you do know those clowns need the same effort as any regular clownfish.. so why to sell them at $100 ++++ ... so whenever u want I will sell you my $5 dollar zoas and you give me the unhealthy $25 clowns... hahahahahaha

I have decided to raise the price up to 120 until the demand gets lower:Up_to_som Hmm, I suddenly have a wish to raise it even further to raise the status for those who can afford.:teeth:

When is One Eyed One Horn Flying Purple People Eater Zoo's become available? I dip even though I have not seen it but the name sounds too cool.

 

[TheSherm]

It really is an interesting issue. Im not paying a mint for an LE coral, period. Ill look at some of these crazy sites but thats it.

I like having names so I dont buy the same coral twice (even though its getting to the point that the same coral has 4 names).

What I think is even worse is the photoshopping of pictures or the misrepresentation of "names". People who say they have "xxxxxx" coral but that isnt what it actually is.

So I guess I dont really care if WT or Tyree wants to name a coral, im not going to pay that much for their stuff anyway, i have an issue with some other guy calling his coral the same thing just because it looks like it.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

Coinciding with what you said, the problem is misrepresentation not the naming a coral. Naming a coral has no flaw in itself, it only depends how you use the name-to ID it properly or to fool others into thinking it as something else.

The topic about named corals being high in price boils down to the sellers' and buyers' acceptance.
If the buyers have no interest in buying in expensive corals, no matter how catchy the name is, the coral will still be sitting in your tank. If seller does not have the intention to sell the coral at high price, even a Jason Tyree ORA Wingo Single Horn Sinlge Eye Dark Vader Polyp can be sold at a penny. It simply a supply demand curve.

In stock market stocks don't need a catchy name to become the hottest seller of the day, all you need is the quote name. Speculators still know how many millions of dollars to pour in and the smaller investing(may be speculating)public will simply follow suit. You can even buy into the Dow Jones index without even caring what stocks actually are being bought. It's the right of the speculators to pour the money into a quote name. The stock rises, they make the money. The smaller investors now feel that the price of that particular stock is too high and not worth it. Cool, just don't buy it.

Back to coral, same when you cannot afford a coral (because you feel it's only the name that makes it the price it is in the market), then don't buy it. When the demand is low, the price will come down eventually. You have the right not to buy ANY coral because CORAL IS NOT A NECESSITY like food or health care. There is no need to demand a coral at a price affordable to you and at the time you want it. Coral is only an addiction, there is no right to demand an addiction to be cheap and available at the time you want it. I am sure 2 zillion people wants liquor to be sold at $1 per kettle and cigarette at 10 cents a pop and power to control others at $1. In this capitalistic world, the supply and demand dictates 99% of our livings and policies but MOST OF US ENJOY THIS CAPITALISTIC WORLD.

Now, who wants to reverse the course of named corals being expensive by selling me a Jason Tyree ORA Wingo Single Horn Single Eye Dark Vader Polyp for half a penny?:party: Actually I would not mind you sell me a colony of no name pink birdsnest for $1 because I feel $10-$15 a frag is way too expensive.


Oh, when you start to feel some named corals being too expensive and yet you wanted it at a price you can afford, you have an addiction and coral keeping is no longer a hobby to you. By the time you start to demand the name to be taken away so the price can drop, your addiction is almost incurable because even at current rate of $15 a frag you will soon find that you don't have enough $15s to spend.

It really is an interesting issue. Im not paying a mint for an LE coral, period. Ill look at some of these crazy sites but thats it.

I like having names so I dont buy the same coral twice (even though its getting to the point that the same coral has 4 names).

What I think is even worse is the photoshopping of pictures or the misrepresentation of "names". People who say they have "xxxxxx" coral but that isnt what it actually is.

So I guess I dont really care if WT or Tyree wants to name a coral, im not going to pay that much for their stuff anyway, i have an issue with some other guy calling his coral the same thing just because it looks like it.

 

[jerl77]

well said wingo :idea:

Coinciding with what you said, the problem is misrepresentation not the the naming a coral. Naming a coral has no flaw in itself, it only depends how you use the name-to ID it properly or to fool others into thinking it as something else.

The topic about named corals being high in price boils down to the sellers' and buyers' acceptance.
If the buyers have no interest in buying in expensive corals, no matter how catchy the name is, the coral will still be sitting in your tank. If seller does not have the intention to sell the coral at high price, even a Jason Tyree ORA Wingo Single Horn Sinlge Eye Dark Vader Polyp can be sold at a penny. It simply a supply demand curve.

In stock marketing, stocks don't need a catchy name to become the hottest seller of the day, all you need is the quote name. Speculators still know how many millions of dollars to pour in and the smaller investing(may be speculating)public will simply follow suit. You can even buy into the Dow Jones index without even caring what stocks actually are being bought. It's the right of the speculators to pour the money into a quote name. The stock rises, they make the money. The smaller investors now feel that the price of that particular stock is too high and not worth it. Cool, just don't buy it.

Back to coral, same when you cannot afford a coral (because you feel it's only the name that makes it the price it is in the market), then don't buy it. When the demand is low, the price will come down eventually. You have the right not to buy ANY coral because CORAL IS NOT A NECESSITY like food or health care. There is no need to demand a coral at a price affordable to you and at the time you want it. Coral is only an addiction, there is no right to demand an addiction to be cheap and available at the time you want it. I am sure 2 zillion people wants liquor to be sold at $1 per kettle and cigarette at 10 cents a pop and power to control others at $1. In this capitalistic world, the supply and demand dictates 99% of our livings and policies but MOST OF US ENJOY THIS CAPITALISTIC WORLD.

Now, who wants to reverse the course of named corals being expensive by selling me a Jason Tyree ORA Wingo Single Horn Single Eye Dark Vader Polyp for half a penny?:party: Actually I would not mind you sell me a colony of no name pink birdsnest for $1 because I feel $10-$15 a frag is way too expensive.


Oh, when you start to feel some named corals being too expensive and yet you wanted it at a price you can afford, you have an addiction and coral keeping is no longer a hobby to you. By the time you start to demand the name to be taken away so the price can drop, you addiction is almost incurable because even at current rate of $15 a frag you will soon find that you don't have enough $15 to spend.

 

[saltwaterinbrooklyn]

fruits and vegetables ???? is an apple now a banana? whats going on,? is someone really going around renaming plants , fruits and vegetables??? holly crap thats just horrifying !!

 

[FaviaFreak]

Coinciding with what you said, the problem is misrepresentation not the the naming a coral. Naming a coral has no flaw in itself, it only depends how you use the name-to ID it properly or to fool others into thinking it as something else.

The topic about named corals being high in price boils down to the sellers' and buyers' acceptance.
If the buyers have no interest in buying in expensive corals, no matter how catchy the name is, the coral will still be sitting in your tank. If seller does not have the intention to sell the coral at high price, even a Jason Tyree ORA Wingo Single Horn Sinlge Eye Dark Vader Polyp can be sold at a penny. It simply a supply demand curve.

In stock marketing, stocks don't need a catchy name to become the hottest seller of the day, all you need is the quote name. Speculators still know how many millions of dollars to pour in and the smaller investing(may be speculating)public will simply follow suit. You can even buy into the Dow Jones index without even caring what stocks actually are being bought. It's the right of the speculators to pour the money into a quote name. The stock rises, they make the money. The smaller investors now feel that the price of that particular stock is too high and not worth it. Cool, just don't buy it.

Back to coral, same when you cannot afford a coral (because you feel it's only the name that makes it the price it is in the market), then don't buy it. When the demand is low, the price will come down eventually. You have the right not to buy ANY coral because CORAL IS NOT A NECESSITY like food or health care. There is no need to demand a coral at a price affordable to you and at the time you want it. Coral is only an addiction, there is no right to demand an addiction to be cheap and available at the time you want it. I am sure 2 zillion people wants liquor to be sold at $1 per kettle and cigarette at 10 cents a pop and power to control others at $1. In this capitalistic world, the supply and demand dictates 99% of our livings and policies but MOST OF US ENJOY THIS CAPITALISTIC WORLD.

Now, who wants to reverse the course of named corals being expensive by selling me a Jason Tyree ORA Wingo Single Horn Single Eye Dark Vader Polyp for half a penny?:party: Actually I would not mind you sell me a colony of no name pink birdsnest for $1 because I feel $10-$15 a frag is way too expensive.


Oh, when you start to feel some named corals being too expensive and yet you wanted it at a price you can afford, you have an addiction and coral keeping is no longer a hobby to you. By the time you start to demand the name to be taken away so the price can drop, you addiction is almost incurable because even at current rate of $15 a frag you will soon find that you don't have enough $15 to spend.

:thrash::thrash::thrash::thrash::thrash:

 

[Arati]

 

[jerl77]

That is great ha ha ha

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[saltwaterinbrooklyn]

This has been a blast of a thread jerl good stuff buddy

 

[NYreefNoob]

i purchased my most expensive frag ever at this past swap for a $150. only reason i did and it isnt a le or a hyped name, but this truelly was one of the first named chalices and i had been trying to get a piece for awhile, and sure i could have bought a colony of it for what i paid for a 2" frag, but the lineage and knowing the person is why i did it. the SLAMA WATERMELON CHALICE

 

[Awibrandy]

I would just like to know: Why are corals being named after reefers? As far as I know no reefer has made, or designed any coral.
To compare coral naming to clothing, and accessories designer labeling doesn't fit. Designers are actually design their items.

 

[jerl77]

Lmao wow very good point Mabey they swim down and harvest it them self lol its all I big joke in my book

I would just like to know: Why are corals being named after reefers? As far as I know no reefer has made, or designed any coral.
To compare coral naming to clothing, and accessories designer labeling doesn't fit. Designers are actually design their items.

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[budddman]

I think what he meant about the fruits and veggies was that, people are always tinkering with the genetics, thats why there is 50 different varietys of tomatoes. Same with potatoes.

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[Aqua Pro Builder]

I think what he meant about the fruits and veggies was that, people are always tinkering with the genetics, thats why there is 50 different varietys of tomatoes. Same with potatoes.

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Many crops do have coded names and some even have patents on them and that other countries or entities are not allowed by US patent laws to grow them out for next generation production. But in the market, most are sold with a common market name.

hmm. I should patent "Jason Tyree ORA Wingo Single Horn Single Eye Dark Vader Polyp" so that you guys cannot grow it out. LOL

 

[jerl77]

way to much info wingo lol

Many crops do have coded names and some even have patents on them and that other countries or entities are not allowed US patent laws to grow them out for next generation production. But in the market, most are sold with a common market name.