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Yeah, thanks to Reefbum and his father, I got a great deal on an oceanic 57g tank and I start thinking about how to set it up. I have tons of questions so patience is necessary if you want to keep reading:)

It's gonna be my first tank with sump so I need help with it, but that later.
First a list of planned equipment for this tank:

57g Oceanic aquarium
Sump is custom and my biggest headache. It is 21x13x14 and with 9" of water it will give me approximately 11g
Return pump: Mag Drive 7 (there is one for sale in another forum for $50, good deal?) or if I can grab used eheim 1260 or 1262. I consider QuietOne 3000 too but need feedback
Lightning: my 24x cree LED light + another one like that that I am gonna build. I don't know if 48 leds wouldn't be too much though
Skimmer SWC Xtreme 120 Conical Skimmer
Flow: One MP10 for now, may add another one in the nearest future

First and most important question is about the transfer from my solana to the new tank. The biggest problem is that I want the new tank to be in the exact same place as the old one so here's my plan:

1.Put together the new setup and put new sand in the tank.
2. Prepare about 40g of water:)
3. Transfer all corals and fish +liverock into rubbermaid with water from my old tank. Rest of the water will go into the new tank
4. Move the old tank, put new in place and transfer everything from rubbermaid +all the old water
5. Get some new liverock and cycle it in separate tank then transfer it to the new running system.

How is that plan? Am I gonna be OK with about 30lbs of liverock in the new tank for several weeks? Will that kind of transfer create cycle? Should I cycle the new liverock or if it's from an established tank I can put it right away (for example if someone will be selling some?)

Next big thing is the sump, please help me set it up. Here's a couple of pics to give you an idea how the sump looks like:

sump1.jpg


sumptop.jpg



sump1edit.jpg


It's a professionally built acrylic sump, the only problem is that I would like it to be a little bit different. Here's how I thought about it (sorry for the hand painting, I was too lazy to do it better) if I am not gonna do any mods except adding one baffle. Tell me what you think:


sump2.jpg



The first chamber has a filter sock holder, but the problem is that it has an acrylic top too, so there's no way to put skimmer here. With that design I would have to add one baffle and after that return pump and skimmer. Will it work? I am afraid of microbubbles from the skimmer pumped right into display tank.


Second thought:


sump3.jpg



In this case, screw the filter sock and feed the sump from the display on the other side of the sump. In first chamber from the right will be heater and skimmer, then a refugium area with cheato. After that water is flowing thru sponges (but the water will hit the sponge from the bottom so it may float-suggestions?) and into last chamber when the return pump is.


Questions:



  1. Should I use PVC pipe to connect the return pump with bulkhead in the main tank or can I use flexible. If yes, what kind?
  2. What if I use scheme no#1 (with feed water from display on the left side of sump) but put the return pump outside the sump?
  3. Is it possible to cutout the filter sock holder and glue it on the other side? What to cut it with? I was thinking dremel or grinder, but I don't want to f*^^*^# it up.
  4. What glue should I use to glue acrylic and where to get it? A
  5. Where to get acrylic sheets locally? I know they have them in HD and Lowe's but is there a better place? Is ? thickness enough for baffle?
  6. Should the pipe feeding the sump from main tank be submersed in the sump or no?




Oh, there's one more thing- where is the best place to put ATO sensors- in the overflow box or in the sump?


That's about all the questions I can think of at the moment, but there will be more for sure. Thank you for all your replies and help.
 
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the last pic of the sump is ur better option. but seeing that is acrylic ur dealing with ur better off buying a tank that will fit in ur stand and customizing that.
 
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the last pic of the sump is ur better option. but seeing that is acrylic ur dealing with ur better off buying a tank that will fit in ur stand and customizing that.

I know, I was thinking about new sump, but this one is a really good quality and it fits my stand perfectly so I would like to use it rather than getting new one. Advances anyone:)?
 

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smoq can you give me the exact dimensions between you baffles,(internal) and the thickness of the baffles too, let me see what is your best bet for this sump, and also height for each baffle, your skimmer needs between 5-8" of water height, and a platform of min 7.25x6" i have an idea.
 

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here is a idea, the drain from dt will enter from the upper right hole with a pvc elbow attached to a piece of straight pvc with holes driiled into it to stop splash, noise and reduce micro bubbles. your skimmer will be placed in the first chamber on the right with a running water level of 7". this will feed into the center chamber where you can house your macro algae. the water will then flow thru your last baffle with three holes drilled into the return section approximate diameter about 2" each, these holes will prevent a waterfall effect from causing. your topoff will be added to this section.

 
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here is a idea, the drain from dt will enter from the upper right hole with a pvc elbow attached to a piece of straight pvc with holes driiled into it to stop splash, noise and reduce micro bubbles. your skimmer will be placed in the first chamber on the right with a running water level of 7". this will feed into the center chamber where you can house your macro algae. the water will then flow thru your last baffle with three holes drilled into the return section approximate diameter about 2" each, these holes will prevent a waterfall effect from causing. your topoff will be added to this section.


First thing, you are AWESOME rkaragozler, thanks for spending time sketching that diagram and for helping me in general. What program did you use to do that?

Second thing, I picked up a pump for this setup- it's an Eheim 1262. Now I'm a little bit afraid that it could be too strong for my setup... We'll see

OK, I think I understand your idea , I made another crappy sketches in photoshop.

sump4.jpg


To fit that Eheim pump (or any other for that matter) I need to cut out what's marked on the picture with dotted lines. I was thinking of saving the filter sock holder if i can and put it as in picture. What do you think? I would llike some kind of mechanical filter but I know nothing about filter socks- are they good? I know you have to clean it every week, but does it mean tossing them out every week or just cleaning and putting them back?



sump5.jpg


This picture shows it better. First question, should that straight piece of pipe that goes vertically into the sump be submersed?
If not filter sock, what about an area with filter floss and sponges before the return pump? It would be separated from the pump area with eggcrate. How's that?

Now technical questions about working with acrylic:

1. What would be the best way to cut out the top and filter sock holder. I was thinking jigsaw on the top and grinder to cut out the filter sock holder.
2. What kind of glue you use to glue acrylic and where to get it locally? Same with acrylic sheets.

Maybe someone has some 1/4 or thicker acrylic sheets for sale?

Thanks again for your help.
 

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No problem smoq.
1-I use google sketch up
2-leave your pump alone you could always use it to run something else (media reactors)
3-I would not cut the top piece at all
4-The last baffle to the left has to be trimmed anyway you should be able to get your eheim in then
5-filter socks work very good in my opinion i would by three and wash them as you change them, there was a thread about washing socks a couple of days ago.
6-the pvc pipe that would be installed on the right side of your pick would extend halfway down into the sock. sock holders can be made relatively cheap . they sell special adhesive for acrylic its called weld on there is different types depending on how straight your cuts are and how much gap you want to fill.
7- I use to use sponges, but no longer, they build up a lot of ditrus that is very hard to clean out no matter how you wash them.
these are my opinions. everyone has a different idea how to go about it.
 

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Lookin good Marcin!

Here is how my dad had it set up. Left side was where the tank drained to the sump with a filter sock. The middle baffle had a sponge and the right side had a skimmer with a hard but flexible tube that was the return to the tank. He also had a heater and some carbon but I can't remember where he had them. There were absolutely no micro bubbles in the main display.

It was a really simple setup and it worked great! I would not recommend making any modifications to remove any acrylic since you run the risk of cracking something. The key in this hobby is to keep things as simple as possible and this custom sump was designed with that in mind.....just my 2 cents.
 
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2-leave your pump alone you could always use it to run something else (media reactors)

I willl put a T on it with valve and pipe coming into the fuge area so I can control the flow. I'll try to sketch it using google sketch up later

3-I would not cut the top piece at all
4-The last baffle to the left has to be trimmed anyway you should be able to get your eheim in then

I hope I'' be able to do that. The problem is there's little space inside, the only thing that will fit there is dremel with cutting wheel I guess. I woudl have to trim at least 2"to fit the pump inside. If it trim it away, is it still necessary to drill holes in the baffle?

5-filter socks work very good in my opinion i would by three and wash them as you change them, there was a thread about washing socks a couple of days ago.
6-the pvc pipe that would be installed on the right side of your pick would extend halfway down into the sock. sock holders can be made relatively cheap

I think I'll buy that hang-on filter sock holder they're selling online. The pipe that goes into the filter sock, should I put a tee with cap and holes so the air can escape?

. they sell special adhesive for acrylic its called weld on there is different types depending on how straight your cuts are and how much gap you want to fill.

Yes, I read about that. The regular pvc cement won't glue it, right? I would like to get acrylic locally if that's possible, but from what I remember in HD or Lowe's they only have a kind of silicon meant to be used with acrylic. Also, I am not sure if they sell any other profiles of acrylic- I would like to buy 1-2 sheets and one square rod.

I have to go now, but when I come back I'll try to draw the plumbing.

Thanks again everyone.
 
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Lookin good Marcin!

Here is how my dad had it set up. Left side was where the tank drained to the sump with a filter sock. The middle baffle had a sponge and the right side had a skimmer with a hard but flexible tube that was the return to the tank. He also had a heater and some carbon but I can't remember where he had them. There were absolutely no micro bubbles in the main display.

It was a really simple setup and it worked great! I would not recommend making any modifications to remove any acrylic since you run the risk of cracking something. The key in this hobby is to keep things as simple as possible and this custom sump was designed with that in mind.....just my 2 cents.

That would be the easiest method Keith. So he had the return pump and skimmer in thesame chamber, right? Anyone else had it set-up like that?
 

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putting a t on your pump is exactly what i'm talking about or you can go over board and build a manifold (same thing).

just be carefull when cutting if you go to low their will not be enough water in their when the pump kicks in, normally you want that as heigh as you can, this is where your evaporation will show.

you can put a t in the sump to stop the gurgling if you want. it depends on what kind of set up you have on the dt. RR or over flow box.

sorry I don't know how you guys add the quotes
 

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