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dizzy

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Liquid, Bill 2, Mary, Jamesw, anyone,

Actually it is a serious question. How does one get to participate in #reefs? I remember trying to when Mike King was the guest speaker, but I couldn't figure it out. I may not even have any questions, but I would like to learn how the procedure works. Thanks for your help.

MG
 

Mike King

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Dizzy all you have to do is send your question to who ever is the modulator of the talk and he will post the question.
BlackBeard or one of the Opps will be this person and it will be announced at the beginning and throughout the talk.

Did you ever get a chance to ask me your question?
if not ask away.......

Mike
 

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Mike,

If I had any specific questions I can't remember them. It just seems like I wasn't able to access the talk while it was taking place. My computer skills are lacking. I guess I can see it after the fact.

Thanks,
Mitch
 

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Well, it's official. There is not one seat on the AMDA board with more than one candidate running. SAD. After reading the AMDA Newsletter (which basically consists of pro-MAC sentiments), I discovered an interesting jewel tucked into Randy Goodlett's MAC Board Meeting report. Check this out:

One issue that may be of interest to some of our members was the one about the status of MAC Directors. There has been a consensus among many in the industry that there are given slots for MAC Board Members that are there for certain organizations. Although the current board supports the heterogeneity of the make-up of the board and is grateful for the interest of the organizations that now have representatives on the board, it has decided that these slots are not givens and that once each Director's term is up, they will not be guaranteed a future seat on that board. There is a nominating committee on the MAC board, but even this group will have to bow to a final vote of board members as to which nominees are elected to replace each retiring director. So the answer there is that there are no guarantees in regard to which organization gets a member on the board. In that light, Paul did bring up the fact that there is a current vacancy on the board and he proposed that a specific candidate be considered for that slot and the board decided that it should receive nominations for that position over the next month and then vote on that replacement position.

This is so sickening. MAC knows that Steve Robinson is going to be the next AMDA president- which would normally automatically give him a seat on the MAC board of directors as AMDA representative. But my oh my, Steve doesn't bow down to everything MAC says so they have come up with this little caveat to the process to get rid of him if they need to. How interesting that the timing of this decision is a month before Steve would take his seat on the MAC board. By doing this, they are ensuring that the board of directors doesn't end up with any opposition to what they are trying to "accomplish". No hard questions, no differing opinions. The idea of checks and balances in any arena is not one that MAC seems to support. By filling the board of directors with MAC puppets, nothing will ever change. What is MAC so afraid of?


Paul, I'm positive you are reading this. Here's my statement:

MAC intends to implement this new policy of not reinstating organizational board positions in order to keep Steve Robinson's opinions out of the MAC process

Prove me wrong Paul. Please.
 

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Steve:
Your attachment's didn't seem to go through. Email them to me :)

Dizzy:
To join our chat channel click the #reefs link on our home page.
 

dizzy

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Bill2,

That was a dated question and I was actually at the chat, but thanks for the reply. I also registered for MACO but it is taking a while to get a password. I would like to say that I think the classes are a great idea and I hope a lot of people take advantage.

Mitch

Mary,

That is an interesting little tidbit you dug out. So much for MAC becoming more transparent.

MG
 

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So, just to be clear, those minutes were recorded by Randy Goodlet of AMDA? Since I believe you all are talking about a MAC board meeting, are there "official" meeting minutes posted?

What Randy heard and what MAC's policy actually is can be worlds apart. Trust me, it happens at meetings all the time. What counts is what it says in the official meeting minutes.

Cheers
James
 

Paul Holthus

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All:
First, it is only by chance that I came across this posting re the MAC Board developments while looking for the feedback on the MAC session. I am not in the habit of perusing reefs.org chat lines everyday. If there is a question for MAC on one of the threads, it would be very helpful if people let us know. We monitor reefs.org more than most chat sites, but, unfortunately we cannot monitor all the internet discussion sites relevant to MAC's mission. Please contact us directly with your questions and concerns, in order to be sure your concerns or questions are reaching us.

To respond to the following allegation that was posted:
"MAC intends to implement this new policy of not reinstating organizational board positions in order to keep Steve Robinson's opinions out of the MAC process."

I. Allegation: MAC has a new policy re Board vacancies.
This is not true.
There is no new policy regarding vacancies in the MAC Board. As described below, in late 2001 and the first half of 2002, the MAC Board sorted out the issue of Board membership, terms, nominations and vacancy filling, as part of gradually improving MAC governance procedures. The results of this were on the Board meeting agenda for December 2002 to simply ensure all members were clear on the results of these developments.

II. Allegation: MAC is trying to keep Steve Robinson's opinion out of the MAC process.
This is not true either.
The door is open for Mr Robinson to participate in the MAC process as much as he would like to, and we have facilitated his involvement. For example, at the LA meeting of US industry that had signed the MAC Statement of Commitment (SOC), Mr Robinson was there, even though he had not signed the SOC. Following a breakfast meeting with the previous MAC Board Chair, Marshall Meyers, Mr Robinson and myself, I went out the way to make a copy of the SOC available for Mr Robinson to sign so that he could participate in the meeting. (For which I was severely criticized by some other meeting participants).

I respect Mr Robinson's commitment to working for the sustainability of the aquarium trade and his widely recognized skills as a trainer in net collecting and looked forward to his constructive input to the development of MAC Certification. Since March 8th, Mr Robinson has not been in touch with me until December 10th, although other MAC staff have had discussions with him, e.g. at MACNA. I am pleased to note that we are now in direct communication on areas of mutual interest, e.g. increasing the number of collectors with quality net training.


MAC Governance Developments re Board membership, terms, nominations and vacancy filling

1. Background

Until 2001, there has never been a definitive, formal clarification of whether MAC Board members participate as individuals or as formal representatives of the organizations that they are affiliated with. This was left a bit open to interpretation in the early development of MAC to allow for flexibility in building the Board.

The issue becomes more in need of clarification when a Board member resigns. Over the past several years, the MAC Executive Director has simply contacted the organization with which the outgoing Board member was associated and asked whether they would like to propose a new person to participate in the MAC Board. This informal mechanism was useful and needed as there was no MAC Board Nominating Committee in place and a very small MAC staff to deal with a Board that is spread out over 7 countries and 9 time zones. Unfortunately, this may have created the incorrect perception among some that organizations have a seat on the MAC Board and that when an individual resigns from the Board, their organization has the right and opportunity to indicate a replacement.

2. What the MAC By-laws state

Vacancies. Any vacancy in the Board of Directors existing between annual meetings of the Board, including a vacancy created by an increase in the number of Directors, shall be filled by majority vote of the Directors then in office. A Director so elected shall serve until the close of the next regular annual meeting of the Board of Directors or until his or her successor is elected and qualified.

3. How the MAC Board of Directors Addressed this Situation

a. November 27, 2001 Board of Directors Meeting

The Board agreed that:
- there be staggered Board election for three year terms so that not all members would need to be elected each year.
- by-laws for nominating process needed to be changed so that vacancies can be filled by due process.
- there be a Nominating Committee to provide a slate of candidates for the Board to consider.

b. July 1, 2002 Board of Directors Meeting

The Board agreed that:
- the Executive Committee serve as the Nominating Committee.

The Board elected the following members for the indicated terms:
(until the end of 2002):
- Bruce Bunting, World Wildlife Fund
- Marshall Meyers, Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council
- Keith Davenport, Ornamental Aquatic Trade Association
- John Dawes, Ornamental Fish International
(until the end of 2003):
- John Brandt, Marine Aquarium Societies of North America
- Charles (Chip) Barber, International Marine Alliance
- Randy Goodlett, American Marinelife Dealers Association
- Doug Warmolts, American Zoos and Aquarium Society
- Dradjad Wibowo, Lembaga Ekolabel Indonesia
(until the end of 2004):
- Frank Vorhies, The World Conservation Union (IUCN)
- Rex Hori, Foundation of the Peoples of the S. Pacific Int'l
- Lolita Ty, Philippines Tropical Fish Export Association
- Johannes Subijanto, The Nature Conservancy – Indonesia
- Joko Purwanto, AKKI (Indonesia Coral, Shell, Ornamental Fish Ass'n)

c. December 12, 2002 Board of Directors Meeting

The Board re-elected the following outgoing members for a new three year term:
(until the end of 2005):
- Bruce Bunting, World Wildlife Fund
- Keith Davenport, Ornamental Aquatic Trade Association
- John Dawes, Ornamental Fish International
- Marshall Meyers, Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council

The Board was requested to clarify the process for addressing vacancies on the Board and provide guidance to the MAC Secretariat and reaffirmed that:
- the Nominating committee has been set up and staggered terms established earlier in 2002, as requested in late 2001, and that these are the processes for filling Board vacancies.
- the By-laws are correct in that Board members serve as individuals.
- there is, at the same time, a desire to have the kind of diversity of individuals and organizations that are on the Board as well as a useful level of continuity.

4. How this relates to AMDA

In July 2002, Randy Goodlet was elected to the MAC Board of Directors until the end of 2003, or until he resigns.


I hope this clarifies the situation.

Paul
 

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SPC, FWIW here’s what I know about hobbyist on MAC BOD,

John Brandt, Marine Aquarium Societies of North America

Bruce Bunting has a reef aquarium in his office.

I think several other BOD members may have reef and/or FO marine aquariums. I don't know about their level of involvement with their aquariums.

Mike
 

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Mike,

I don't know if you could technically call Bruce Bunting a hobbyist. I believe he has an aquarium service company come around and take care of the tank for him.

MG
 

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Depends on how one defines a Hobbyist I guess,
If I could afford to pay someone to do the maintenance on my reef tank I would still have it going.
Right now, I have no running aquarium at all, dose this mean I’m no longer a hobbyist?

I think I’m still a hobbyist :D
(my closet is still packed with aquarium equipment I must be!)

Mike King
Environmentalist, Marine Hobbyist, (and no longer a LFS owner).
 
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If Bruce is dropping money into his aquaria, I'd call him a hobbiest. If there was no interest, there'd be no aquaria. he's a hobbyist, and Mike, you'll always be hobbyist at heart, tank or not.
 

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