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You like your big MAC , rare, eh! Certification
- Thread starter naesco
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SciGuy2":2lq2qze6 said:vitz":2lq2qze6 said:bottom line-MAC is ALREADY certifying cyanided fish.
Very strong quote. Do you have proof of this?
-Lee
yes-just read the transcript of the latest #reefs talk with mr. paul holthus.
here's the clincher :wink:
The questioner would like a "yes" or "no" answer to the previous question (Will certification be allowed prior to the instigation of cyanide testing?).
Yes, certification is taking place now, as has been announced in the newsletter
ergo...
The questioner would like a "yes" or "no" answer to the previous question (Will certification be allowed prior to the instigation of cyanide testing?).
Yes, certification is taking place now, as has been announced in the newsletter
ergo...
vitz,
I don't think you can make the case that any cyanide fish have been certified yet. I haven't even heard for sure that any certified fish were actually coming through yet. I tried to ask Paul if they were and he said the certified wholesaler would have to answer that question. I think we will need to look carefully at the species being offered as MAC certified.
I agree 100% that cyanide caught fish are very likley to be certifed in the near future. I just don't think you can say with certainty that it has happened yet.
Mitch
I don't think you can make the case that any cyanide fish have been certified yet. I haven't even heard for sure that any certified fish were actually coming through yet. I tried to ask Paul if they were and he said the certified wholesaler would have to answer that question. I think we will need to look carefully at the species being offered as MAC certified.
I agree 100% that cyanide caught fish are very likley to be certifed in the near future. I just don't think you can say with certainty that it has happened yet.
Mitch
At Coast Mountain Aquatics we have had a few items come through as certified...a few gobies, butterflies, and angels. I don't have the option of selecting MAC fish from a stock report. Certain species will arrive as certifed from the exporter from those that I have ordered. If the exporter has certified fish and I order, I guess I get lucky that day.
I do not think that you will see cyanide fish come through as certified. This would reflect badly on MAC, the exporter, importer and wholesaler if that was the case.
You may see MAC certified exporters offering non MAC certified fish which they will have to do until the infrastructure is in place to offer fish certified
as net caught.
IMO the demand for net caught fish will be incredible. After all it is a waste of money for everyone along the chain to buy cyanide caught fish.
You may see MAC certified exporters offering non MAC certified fish which they will have to do until the infrastructure is in place to offer fish certified
as net caught.
IMO the demand for net caught fish will be incredible. After all it is a waste of money for everyone along the chain to buy cyanide caught fish.
naesco":oyw0lh15 said:I do not think that you will see cyanide fish come through as certified. This would reflect badly on MAC, the exporter, importer and wholesaler if that was the case.
You may see MAC certified exporters offering non MAC certified fish which they will have to do until the infrastructure is in place to offer fish certified
as net caught.
IMO the demand for net caught fish will be incredible. After all it is a waste of money for everyone along the chain to buy cyanide caught fish.
naesco,
Without a cyanide test in place no one will be able to prove that cyanide killed the fish, so how will sneeking a few through reflect badly on anyone? Also history has shown that people do not support netcaught wholesalers if cheaper fish are available. Why do you think it will be any different now?
Mitch
In light of the comments made in this forum over the past few months, it would not surprise me to see MAC restate its committment to a cyanide free catchment wherever possible.
Times are a changing. This forum exists. Boards exist.
It is now commonplace for people to research on the internet, their purchases before they buy.
IMO after a couple of months even the impulse buyer who got into this hobby will find out about the boards and be educated.
Apart from the initial phase where demand will exceed supply and the price for net caught fish will be higher, it will only be pennies more because the fishers are not paid that much more.
Times are a changing. This forum exists. Boards exist.
It is now commonplace for people to research on the internet, their purchases before they buy.
IMO after a couple of months even the impulse buyer who got into this hobby will find out about the boards and be educated.
Apart from the initial phase where demand will exceed supply and the price for net caught fish will be higher, it will only be pennies more because the fishers are not paid that much more.
naesco,
You can research it all you want but everyone will claim to have netcaught fish. Many of the online stores will get MAC certified and then ship out non-MAC fish claiming they are certified. It will be impossible to disprove. I'm telling you it will happen over and over again. There is absolutely no way to prevent it.
Mitch
You can research it all you want but everyone will claim to have netcaught fish. Many of the online stores will get MAC certified and then ship out non-MAC fish claiming they are certified. It will be impossible to disprove. I'm telling you it will happen over and over again. There is absolutely no way to prevent it.
Mitch
they MUST stop certification immediately, stop the cyanide and get the net collection training implemented FIRST-then give their 'approval'.
their present approval is worthless, and every day they continue with this presently ridiculous practice will make their final approval worth less and less, to me.
i do not appreciate having my chain yanked, especially when it comes to aiding and abetting coral reef destruction-which is exactly what MAC is doing, at the moment.no rationalizations can forgive that.
their present approval is worthless, and every day they continue with this presently ridiculous practice will make their final approval worth less and less, to me.
i do not appreciate having my chain yanked, especially when it comes to aiding and abetting coral reef destruction-which is exactly what MAC is doing, at the moment.no rationalizations can forgive that.
Dizzy,
I have had a few Singapore angels come through and our prices are marginally higher at a point that will not affect our sale price. I am watching this at the moment which is easy because of the low numbers of MAC fish I am receiving.
To perform a bait and switch will be fairly tough on a small operation such as mine and many like mine. I deal with only single suppliers from each of the major exporting regions. This simplifies, so to speak, the paperwork to track fish. If I have ten items of a particular species arrive as certified, you have to be able to show what has happened to those same ten items. Either they have died, been sold, or are still in my system. Loopholes exist for the less than honest to substiutue a fish of the same species from a non certified batch of fish to replace any mortality. I don't have that ability as the volume of fish I deal in is small in comparison.
I have had a few Singapore angels come through and our prices are marginally higher at a point that will not affect our sale price. I am watching this at the moment which is easy because of the low numbers of MAC fish I am receiving.
To perform a bait and switch will be fairly tough on a small operation such as mine and many like mine. I deal with only single suppliers from each of the major exporting regions. This simplifies, so to speak, the paperwork to track fish. If I have ten items of a particular species arrive as certified, you have to be able to show what has happened to those same ten items. Either they have died, been sold, or are still in my system. Loopholes exist for the less than honest to substiutue a fish of the same species from a non certified batch of fish to replace any mortality. I don't have that ability as the volume of fish I deal in is small in comparison.
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Vitz,
Your last post...I mean "to the quick" it did!
"The cloaking device is failing! May day May day! "
Steve
Your last post...I mean "to the quick" it did!
"The cloaking device is failing! May day May day! "
Steve
Posted by kylen:
-And when there are 10,000 fish stores with MAC certification, who is going to be doing all of this post auditing?
Steve
To add further, a post audit of our operation, if done properly, would easily be able to expose any cheating on our part.
-And when there are 10,000 fish stores with MAC certification, who is going to be doing all of this post auditing?
Steve
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