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I’m back and I have a lot of catching up to do. I have been in and out of the field and had no time to do some writing and posting. I received an email from Dr. Peter Rubec with an attached copy of what Horge wrote ages ago.
Horge, I think one the submission of samples (food and ornamental) to the CDT lab was an enforcement thing that Dante Delabahan and Lawyer Lorenzo formerly of ELAC (Environmental Legal Assistant Center) and I did. An enforcement group encountered a boat from Marinduque, base in Pagbilao collecting among other species the highly coveted blue tangs and Leopardus groupers. The boat had no permit to operate in the Ancestral Domain waters but was carrying a permit of BFAR Region 4 to operate within the region on marine products. A very vague permit that if read by the uninformed will think that they are legally permitted to operate in any area. These collectors had no nets at all, not even scoop nets. They had just been fishing for a day and yet they had thousands of fishes in oxygenated plastic bags. I was requested to help inspect the boat for cyanide, question the collectors (very interesting revealing answers that made me start doubting MAC’s sincerity capability, and ability), choose the samples to be sent to the CDT laboratory, witness the packing of the samples to protect the integrity of the specimens being sent and help in the preparation of affidavits. I also had to pick the site where to release the confiscated fishes.
Here was what is interesting. I coordinated the sending of those samples to the BFAR CDT Lab in Manila and to be sure nothing goes wrong talked to the chemist. We needed and beg for the results to be able to file the case within 48 hours or the enforcement group could be charge for arbitrary detention if the collectors and boat captain were not released within the time legally allowed by law. The chemist promised to work overtime but being undermanned did not make the 48 hours deadline. The arrested persons had to be release and only the boat impounded. After more than 10 days and several phone calls I finally got the results by phone only. All samples were highly positive, water and all the fishes. The chemist at that time told me that a copy of the results would be sent by fax first to Coron. We never got it. Somehow somewhere communications got fouled up. Base on the phone call and the assurance that the fax and hard copy was coming the criminal case was filed although the collectors and the boat captain were already released so the boat can be confiscated in favor of the government. We waited for several weeks more for the certificate of the CDT. Nothing came. Then we got the shock of our lives. A certificated stating result to be negative was faxed (LISTEN TO THIS: FAXED NO HARD COPY) direct to the prosecutor hearing the case in Puerto Princessa. Based on this fax copy the prosecutor dismisses the case immediately. (Shows you how long the tentacles of this problem is) The Law allows a 15 days grace period to contest the verdict. The head of the lab that by the way is a very straight and honest lady was not present during the test of these samples and was at that time unavailable when I called trying to contact her. I burned the phone lines to the BFAR CDT lab again and to try to talk to the chemist that said that the test results were positive. She was unavailable. So I requested for whoever was on the phone to look into their logbook and see if any results were faxed and hard copies sent out. I also asked the person on the phone pointblank if the test results where positive or negative. The reply was “I do not know sir.” I knew then something was very funny.
The office of the Palawan Council for Sustainable Development in Puerto Princessa one of the complainants was able to obtain the faxed with negative results of the test from the court so we thought it better to seek audience with the BFAR Director. I went flew down to Manila and went to the MAC’s office talked to the Country Director and told him that he being a friend of the BFAR Director should arrange a meeting for us. I told him who was one of the suspected financiers of this incident and that even if these people have disappeared and what they say has become hearsay, gossips can still do a lot of damage and just shows how useless MAC really is. (I was irritated because to add insult to injury on this matter the sister boat was arrested again in another part of the island a few days after the case was dismiss. This time, they were caught with hard evidences but were released after some highly private questionable negotiations as related to me by the Lawyer of ELAC and Dante Delabajan another ELAC person. I suspected that enforcement groups have lost their faith on the system and would rather profit from it than letting the others profit from their efforts. Again in another incident later after this I was again called in because another of its sister boat was arrested in another part of the hundreds of islands there and a squeeze bottles found, again tested to be positive with cyanide. I have not heard anything about the case anymore.
Luckily before the meeting with the BFAR Director I was able to get hold of the chief of the CDT lab section and told her what happened. I also told her I could identify the chemist that told me the test was positive. In the meeting with the Director and the Chief of the Lab fax copy of the test results of the certificate stating the tests results were negative was presented. The copy obtained by the PCSD from the prosecutor that we all were now able to read surprised us. It was not the species sent by our group to be tested. The chief of the lab had to go back to the lab and check the records before the real test results came out. BFAR was a victim of switching BIG TIME and to top it all according to BFAR later it was some high-ranking military person who took the results from the lab and was the one who faxed it to the prosecutor.
The case was refilled but the tragedy is the boat captain is gone, so with the poor highly exploited guilty collectors, and the boat and its sister boats are still wrecking havoc in other places up to now.
Two pictures attached. (One boat inspection and the evidence being prepared with the boat captain present.)
Quoting Horge:
---All the BFAR regular staff I met make do with what they have, and fight the good fight, while many others (here and overseas) pretend to fight only when donor and sponsor dollars are up for grabs.
BROVO Horge!! How true, how true! (About the donor and sponsor dollars.) It is a shame. Good money gone to waste.
What do an NGO do when they commit mistakes? Bury it! Forget it! Act as if nothing has happen and move on and repeat it again in another site! The tragedy is that they keep repeating it. The much abuse words of “reform, ecological balance, conservation, sustainability, and success is so deafening that one becomes numb. Disgusting isn’t it? They do not even look back to see the monsters they have created. They refused to see the sufferings of affected coastal dwellers that they have cause simply because they do not do their homework properly. They are just desperate for numbers to tell the world that they are succeeding. Hooray!!! CERTIFICATION WORKS!!! MORE DONATIONS, MORE MONEY!!! But does it really work now???>?? Honestly ask yourselves. You know the answer. You do not even have to open your eyes to see it.
And Horge, you know how simple folks outlooks are, though we cannot keep blaming them. During election candidates’ gives money, food, and T-shirts to have these poor people pledge their votes and come out in pictures to show support no matter how false and forced and dramatized. In politics it has become almost normal to try to whitewash things. Are we now politicizing our environmental goals too?
Give me time. I am gong to write about an island off Mindoro. Another highly coveted collecting place where the monster was dormant but now awaken.
 

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mkirda

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Ferdie!

I was just working on the next article, this time about Coron.
I had just typed this incident into the outline! I swear to God, that is eerie...

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 
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I fail to see how a series of mistakes or corruption at the BFAR CDT lab becomes something that discredits NGO's and MAC.

I figure there is a lot to the story that I'm missing, but the connection wasn't appearant when I read your posting.

Sincerely,
-Lee
 

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Lee,
Be careful what you ask for. Giving Ferdie a lead in and an opportunity to reply to your question on how it all ties in to some NGOs relevant to our trade is dangerous. There is much he is not telling us.There is much I don't tell you either.
Ferdie is well aware of the infinite capacity for accepting good news among hobbyists and marinelifers. He is also aware of the limited capacity for accepting just straight news and the truth of things minus the spin game.
Keep prodding and challenging him. That way you get more collaboration on the things I have revealed to you about the hidden agendas and incompetence of your favorite NGOs.
My momma always told me, "Don't criticize unless you have an alternative". In debate class in high school, my teacher told me the same thing. All through our last 2 years of dialogue, I have had this in mind.
The alternative is coming and will catch fire this year. STAY TUNED...you'll see. It may involve institutional NGOs and it may not.
Hopefully they see the wisdom of not being left in the dust and will get on board ...but without trying to steer and control everything.
The need for control is strong in them..much stronger than the need to get it right. Thats what the struggle is about. Getting it right and showing the way how it should and can be done.

Patriotism on this issue is not in the knee jerk defense of the status quo...it is in the implementation of serious changes in the status quo that reform the trade to a legal and sustainable metodology and one that is welcome in Philippine villages where the fish actually come from, really welcome.
Steve
 
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Mike,

I have many shortcomings. However, I do not see my problem as being a failure in ability to reason inductively.
All I see is innuendo in a public forum.

Please understand that the event Mr. Cruz is describing is disturbing, disgusting and revolting to me.
I respect the determination of whistleblowers as a way to address injustice;
but public allegations without displayed proof serve little positive purpose.
Ultimately, the legal process must resolve issues like this in order for any meaningful change to occur.

Respectfully,
-Lee
 
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Steve,

I understand the inherent danger in being a whistleblower. I do not want
to set the stage for Mr. Cruz to place himself in a more dangerous situation
than he is already no doubt in. I'm just saying that it is better to state facts
than damning supposition in a public forum.

I'm very happy people like Mary, Ferdie, Mike, and yourself are starting to
give hobbyists alternative means for ecological reform. Thank you.
Competition between reform groups no doubt will be a good thing.

Sincerely,
-Lee

Ferdie, please do not say anything in reply to my comments that would
place yourself in further danger.
 

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Now thats a good point Lee.
Its not our legal process that has long "protected" the crooked operations. Its a Filipino one with its usual assortment of good cops and bad cops. The struggle to make a nation of law has been a long and difficult struggle there. This is why alternative means of exposing injustice is cropping up more and more frequentely.
Filipinos have even been murdered in defense of their coastal areas by cyanide operators.
Who? What, huh?
Thats what I said. When you're there dealing with things we comfortable Yanks have a hard time imagining, you have a distinct impression that "you're not in Kansas anymore". And all the protection Kansas provides.
Revealing all can get you killed. Revealing some can get you criticized for not being totally responsible in the American way.
Better criticized than killed....But, you want more information? So do I . I just understand and respect the way it must be released sometimes.
Sincerely, Steve
 
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Mike,

I understand what you are saying. I understand some of the frustration
as well.

You are a member of the RDO Taskforce. Don't you think that playing
things out in this "court of public opinion" places RDO at legal risk? I
hate to see RDO's backside hanging out in the wind so often. Evidence
is the difference between lible and stating a defensible point.

I bet if we removed all of the threads that contained NGO bashing there
wouldn't be much left. I move that the "The Industry Behind the Hobby"
forum be renamed the "NGO Bashing Forum".

-Lee
 

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SciGuy2":1da5fcm4 said:
You are a member of the RDO Taskforce. Don't you think that playing things out in this "court of public opinion" places RDO at legal risk? I hate to see RDO's backside hanging out in the wind so often. Evidence is the difference between lible and stating a defensible point.

RDO is of the opinion that individuals are responsible for their speech, AFAIK. So far, this has worked. Very little gets moderated or censored.
Moderators should comment further.

I bet if we removed all of the threads that contained NGO bashing there
wouldn't be much left. I move that the "The Industry Behind the Hobby"
forum be renamed the "NGO Bashing Forum".

-Lee

Lee,
Most of the criticism offered is of the constructive sort, if you can weed out the rancor and rhetoric. Constructive criticism is offered in the sincere belief that it will help.
Granted, there have been instances where things have gotten off this path, but the hearts of most everyone here are in the right place.
The problem when you get too close is that you get to know the personalities and the politics involved. Lots of this should have never been made public. Much of the 'bashing' is actually personality clashes played out in public.

Anyway, this is how I see things.
Regards.
Mike Kirda
 

Jaime Baquero

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Is it an honest and a moral thing to do, by all in this industry(including hobbyists), to commercialize ornamental fish when we know that people have been killed trying to prevent it? The corruption problem in the Philippines is every where and is out of control, this is the result of economic and social problems the entire population is facing. The problem in the PI is more serious and complicate that many can imagine.
Jaime
 

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Mike.

I was following Steve's post where he stated that "Filipinos have been murdered in defense of their coastal areas by cyanide operators". The question in my previous post was related to Steve's statement.
You know exactly what I meant. I am talking about the fact that most in this industry, including you as hobbyists, had bought dirty fish coming from an illegal operation. I am against the use of cyanide and dynamite as fishing techniques. I know, first hand, that we can not simply show the collectors how to use the barrier nets and give them in exchange a few more cents for their capture. The solution must include other important aspects. One of them is Filipino government's commitment and willingness to tackle corruption to official levels and poverty that millions of filipinos living in coastal areas are facing each day. Do you think that will happen?

Jaime
 

Jaime Baquero

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Mike ,

It is the responsibility and duty of the Filipino government to protect their natural resources (ecosystems). It is evident that they are incapable of doing it.

jaime
 

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As a person who has frequent (and costly) long distance phone calls with Ferdinand Cruz and has an interest in the CDT, I wish to clarify some points. Ferdinand is describing an event that I believe happened last year. Pagbilao Grande Island (near the Island of Marinduque) is situated in the Quezon Gulf off southern Luzon. It is the site of one of the largest aggregations of cyanide fishermen (last time I had data there were about 400-500 cyanide fishermen on the island). The Ancestral Domain of the Agbuena is situated on the Island of Coron in the Calmians Group of Islands in Northeastern Palawan. So, what Ferdinand is saying is that collectors from Pagbilao were fishing illegally in muncipal wates off the Island of Coron. Their boat stopped and cyanide was found on board. It is of interest that the fishermen were using cyanide to capture both live aquarium fishes and live food fishes (groupers).

Ferdinand was involved in sending samples for cyanide testing to the laboratory run by BFAR situated in Quezon City (Metro Manila). There is confusion about whether the samples were "Postive" or "Negative". It looks like someone in BFAR either made a mistake or deliberately tampered with the reported test results. This is a serious accusation. I am not sure it is something that should have been aired in the court of public opinion (this forum).

Both Horge and Ferdinand have claimed that there are honest people in BFAR. There may also be corrupt officials as they have alleged. Other than the fact that Ferdinand asked the MAC country coordinator for help in meeting with the Director of BFAR (Attny Malcolm Sarmiento), I don't see what the MAC has to do with this matter (or that the MAC did anything wrong).

I agree with Lee that innuendo is not going to help solve whatever problems exist with the CDT and BFAR. The MAC has claimed that they will implement CDT for MAC Certified exporters soon. From conversations with Ferdinand, I have been led to believe that this would involve the MAC collaborating with BFAR to get cyanide testing done at the BFAR laboratory in Quezon City. The MAC can clarify whether this is the case or not. At the same time, I have discussed a proposal pending with the US governement which would involve IMA working to implement random sampling and CDT in conjunction with BFAR. These matters are still being negotiated. Hence, it is not a politically correct time to be slinging mud about CDT.

My reading is that there are both good guys and bad guys (everywhere). It is not clear who Ferdinand is attacking (cyanide fishermen, ship owners, exporters, politicians, government officials, NGOs). There are good guys that are being painted as bad with these accusations. Personally, I think that Ferdinand is jumping the gun. However, I can understand his frustration and that of others such as Steve Robinson and Mike King. We all need to stop long enough to see whether or not the MAC and/or BFAR will follow through with the commitments/understandings they made concerning CDT and Net-Training.

I think that there is still room for hope. We need to work work together to be positive and proactive.

Peter Rubec
 

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How,
How on Gods blue Earth could there be so few clean fish if there hase been so much good work done by the NGOs we have been asked to lighten up on?
Steve
PS. As co father of the IMA and by blood, step father to Ocean Voice, I have a certain amount of right to speak of my children and how deeply disappointed I am in them.
 

Jaime Baquero

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Mike,

The problem is going to be unsolvable IF the Filipino government doesn't act and fast. MAC is going to be the only venue they have to do it. So lets work together for that to happen.

Steve,

Your analysis of the cyanide problem in the Philippines is poor. NGOs are not the only players trying to solve it..... there are others that do not act the way they should.

Your children will ask you where were you when such a bad problem was happening. They'll ask why you quitted helping collectors in the Philippines when it was the time? Dad, you knew all that was happening and you knew how to solve the problem... why you were not there? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:



Jaime
 

Nancy Swart

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So now we're:

Not sure when this event even took place,

Not sure if it was a deliberate or honest error at the CDT lab

We have no proof of who sponsored the boat or the fisherman but their photos and faces have been posted on the Internet!

Of course they MUST be MAC sponsored. Don't we have to say that at least a hundred times a day on the Internet to follow the movement that won't quit until MAC is dissolved???

What I'm getting from all of this is that trying to solve this ageless problem is hopeless no matter how many organizations work at it and how much money we put into it because of the political corruption in the PI.

So then WHY do we keep beating our heads against the wall? Why not start an International boycott of anything imported from the PI. That'll get their attention!

If the exporters didn't keep selling to the importers, then to our LFSs, we as hobbyists wouldn't be able to keep buying the product that keeps fueling this tragic waste of our marinelife!

If money is the only language spoken in the PI then I see this as the only logical solution.

Nancy
 

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