Fish Mortality Study Data Blue Chromis/Chromis sp.

[Frank Lallo]

Blue Mandarib Dragonett/Synchiropus Splendidus
Location..........outlets.............#of fish.............Doa...........%of

West...............107.................217..................28.21.........13%
Mid.................60...................91....................16.38.........18%
East...............109..................185..................46.435.......25.1%

West....high..55 & 40.......lo..4.2 & 4.9
Mid......high..44.3 & 28.2.....lo..6.1 & 5.9
East.....high..65 & 38..........lo..7.8 & 7.0

 

[Anonymous]

Frank,

Please excuse me for asking a question prior to you presenting all of your data. I have a quick question that may affect how you present your data, so I will ask you now rather than later.

It appears that you are inteding to present raw data, however it appears that your "Doa" data is a derived number. I would expect no fractional Doa numbers - only whole numbers. For instance, you just presented the following.

Blue Mandarib Dragonett/Synchiropus Splendidus
Location..........outlets.............#of fish.............Doa...........%of

West...............107.................217..................28.21.........13%
Mid.................60...................91....................16.38.........18%
East...............109..................185..................46.435.......25.1%

In the West location you show 217 fish shipped and 28.21 Doa. Since a person cannot have 28 and 21/100ths. of a dead fish is 28.21 some sort of an estimated number?

Sincerely,
Lee Morey

 

[Frank Lallo]

They are grouped in outlets as you see. For this reason you see the number that is derived. If and when I post the individual stores and such then you get a more rounded numbers. Remember this is a summary of Doa's. If I attempted to post each & every store individually. If I started typing in each an every store I seriously dout any of us would live long enough to read it. See peter rubec's post on the amount of paper work involved.

Frankie.

 

[Frank Lallo]

I am however considering someone that has vol his services to put all the data in graph form. which would be a hell of alot easier but then no one would see the broken down numbers.

Frankie

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the explanation, Frank.

So you are using the actual "# of fish" numbers from your study multiplied by your previously calculated "%of" numbers to calculate the "Doa" numbers presented here. Correct?

Thanks,
Lee

 

[Frank Lallo]

Well from this point on the highs & Lows will not be included. I see from some of the posts, some of you have used them to make excuse's." Well lets throw this guy out obviously he has Know clue, His store is making us all look bad". I find it interesting tha after 13 species, and most all but a few were considered hardy. So now I give you some of the very UGLY !

Frankie

 

[Frank Lallo]

Morrish Idol/Zanclus cornutus
Location......outltes........#of fish........Doa..........%of
West...........107................227..........34.05........15
Mid.............60..................115..........24.15........21.9
East...........109.................338..........135.20......40

 

[Frank Lallo]

Black Ribbon/ Rhinomuraena quaesita
Location..........outlets.........#of fish..........doa..........%of
West..............107..............105...............78.75........75%
Mid................60................64................49.28........77%
East..............109...............107..............86.67........81%

 

[Frank Lallo]

Blue Ribbon
Location........outlets........#of fish............Doa..............%of
West............107.............210..................153.29.........73%
Mid..............60...............112..................94.08..........84%
East............109..............207..................184.23........89%

 

[Frank Lallo]

Yellow Boxfish/Tetrosomus Gibbosus
Location..........outlets...........#of fish..........Doa.........%of
West..............107...............114................74.1.........65%
Mid................60.................75..................49.5........66%
East..............109................101................75.75.......75%

 

[Frank Lallo]

Spotted Yellow Boxfish/Ostracion Cubicus
Location..........outlets...........#of fish.........Doa.........%of
West..............107................207...............159.39.....77%
Mid................60..................102...............80.58.......79%
Mid................109................270...............189.0.......70%

 

[Frank Lallo]

Spotted Boxfish/Ostracion Meleagris
Location........outlets..........#of fish..............Doa..........%of
West............107...............220...................151.79......69%
Mid..............60.................109...................74.12........68%
East.............109...............201...................146.73......73%

 

[Frank Lallo]

Purcupine Puffer/Didon Holacanthus
Location..........Outlets............#of fish............Doa..........%of
West..............107.................211..................170.91.......81%
Mid................60...................185..................140.6........76%
East..............109..................216..................190.08......88%

 

[Kalkbreath]

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Black Ribbon/ Rhinomuraena quaesita
Location..........outlets.........#of fish..........doa..........%of
West..............107..............105...............78.75........75%
Mid................60................64................49.28........77%
East..............109...............107..............86.67........81%

Frank you expect us to beleive that the stores ordered only twice as many mandarin gobies as blue ribbon eels? :roll: It seems someone is misplacing the decimals again {for effect} :twisted: Please explain yourself ........?

 

[Frank Lallo]

Kalk,
For all the talking & rambling you do here you bring absolutly nothing to the table. Lets see your study as a comparision. As to your reference to US in most of your post's. Who are these US people. All I see are people viewing the information waiting for more to avaluate the numbers on there own. As for the Ribbon Eels & Mandrains....yes if you truly had any knowledge at all on the suject you would no way the numbers are the way they are. If you don't know, stand up like a man and say so & maybe you would get an explaination. But as of now just keep yapping and showing us all just how ignorant you really are. What I should do is post all the private messages & e-mails from people have sent in relation too you ( somewhere around 30 ). 1) The reason's I would not do such a thing are. People send e-mails & Pm's because they want them private so I wouldn't betray there confidence. 2) I do have some ethics 3) I wouldn't what to embrass'es the living hell out of you, nor make you feel like a total idiot. Your doing a great job on your own. But then again when one is attacked repeatedly one must defend them selv's. So keep it up, You may wake up one morning and find them all posted. I would hate to do it but you are putting me in a postion where I have know alternitive. Oh & just to save you time...If you have postings in reguards to myself post um !!!!.

Frankie

 

[MaryHM]

I have a comment on the ribbon eels. When I first came to LA and started working in wholesale is when I started seeing these on a regular basis. I thought they were the hardiest things in the world- we rarely lost any of them. However, after doing some reading I realized that feeding them is practically impossible- that they will slowly starve to death over several weeks time. I find it interesting that people are losing such high numbers of these within 3 days. They aren't delicate because they are poor shippers, they're delicate because we can't feed them properly and they slowly starve to death.

 

[Frank Lallo]

As you know the Ribbons where one of the" Fish of the month club" as we disgussed on the phone..Tho there doesn't seem to be a problem with shipping as you stated & I agree on that point. I have know Idea how long they sat before being shipped. By the time they got thro the entire chain & where delivered to retailers the number would suggest many of them did strave. I have no way of telling there cause it would just go to show you the many many varitables one must consider in the mortality of any fish. Look what happened to the copperband butterfly. Most of the numbers on that species were as I am sure you put together were because it too was a member of the "fish of the month club". So are some of the tilefish species as are a few others.

Thanks Mary
Frankie

 

[John_Brandt]

Frank,

Black and blue ribbon eels (Rhinomuraena quaesita) are the same species. Given this, it might be helpful to combine their statistics.

I've been in the marine aquarium trade for 23 years in the Midwest and have never seen nor heard of these incredible DOA figures for ribbon eels. I don't believe that they are true. Something is very wrong with those statistics, Frank.

 

[MaryHM]

Frank,

Yes, the ribbon eels are notorious for their high mortality rates as we discussed. However, not within 3 days. Absolutely no possible way! My best guess would be that it would take at least 4-6 weeks for an eel to starve to death, maybe even longer. There is no way they are sitting that long prior to making it to the retailer. Something is seriously wrong with that piece of data.

You state that 15% of Moorish Idols died within 3 days on the West Coast and 74% of the ribbon eels. In all the years I spent working for wholesalers, I don't ever recall seeing one single dead ribbon eel, but remember tons of dead moorish idols (shipping/handling stress + feeding issues do those things in). So in my opinion, the 15% is way low for the idols and the 74% way high for the eels.

 

[John_Brandt]

Frank,

Yes, the ribbon eels are notorious for their high mortality rates as we discussed. However, not within 3 days. Absolutely no possible way! My best guess would be that it would take at least 4-6 weeks for an eel to starve to death, maybe even longer. There is no way they are sitting that long prior to making it to the retailer. Something is seriously wrong with that piece of data.

You state that 15% of Moorish Idols died within 3 days on the West Coast and 74% of the ribbon eels. In all the years I spent working for wholesalers, I don't ever recall seeing one single dead ribbon eel, but remember tons of dead moorish idols (shipping/handling stress + feeding issues do those things in). So in my opinion, the 15% is way low for the idols and the 74% way high for the eels.

Mary,

The statistics are much worse than you suggest. These are all DOA, not DOA + DAA.