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Jaime Baquero

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mkirda":2unlba8p said:
Jaime,

To be honest, I don't think Steve should have posted the last message.
I don't control Steve, as you can tell. Ferdie cannot control Steve either.

I am curious though why you think that Ferdie can control a group of collectors? How exactly would he do this?

Before you argued that economic incentives were needed to get the net collectors to keep from back-sliding.

Yet when this situation is set up and is running, you immediately claim that Ferdie is out to control the market?

How exactly can this be?

Is this the "disturbing and sick actions of Ferdinand Cruz"?

Or is it the fact that Ferdie was campaigning other exporters outside the PTFEA to start accepting net-caught fish, to pay more for them, and to start to switch entirely over to net-caught? You begrudge him this? You begrudge him wanting another net-caught exporter to succeed? Are these the "disturbing and sick actions of Ferdinand Cruz"?

You really glossed over my answers to your questions. Did I address them adequately? I am fairly surprised you had no comments.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

Mike,

Better to stay away from S.R

The message I sent regarding how Ferdinand is controling the situation is concrete and precise. Just take the example of Marivi.

Your questions were addressed adequately, I will take a look of them latter and will get back to you.

I got over 15 PM from readers expressing support.

Regards

Jaime
 
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Guys, I've been trying to stay out of this, but it's getting a little out of hand. If you have some facts to bring to the discussion, bring them. If you have some legitimate questions, ask them If you just don't like somebody, use the little PM button. I'm allergic to hip waders.
 

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cortez marine":1jstrfca said:
Jaime,
Since you are hardly in the trade one cannot expect you to understand the things that professionals do.
Handling fish and thousands of them a week is about the only way to get it down and not be a verde pendejo quien no sabe nada de lo que habla.
Ambientalistas falsas hacen bastante dano con su mal manejo de estos problemas. Usted no tienen ni credibilidad, ni groupo, ni amigos en este ya. Renunciarle...pero de que? Ya ruinastes el obra de Don.
Cuando hacistes un Malinche a Peter, perdistes su ultima amigo. Que trieste. Ni MAC tienen uso por una persona asi de amarga en su manera personal.
Verdad. Que trieste un chico eres.
Hasta la vista en MACNA
Sinceremente, Esteban

Readers,

What you get here from Cortez Marine is an example of lack of education. By the way his spanish is terrible. I think his intention is to lock this thread. Is hot around here.

Jaime
 

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Rover,
The accusations being made against a number of people warranted defense. If the moderator does not step in, this is what happens.
Its why we have a moderator.
If the subject matter was 'why an emerald crab died', I can't imagine anyone getting too upset, but if the trade and its reform response hangs in the balance, this stuff counts.
Waking up to defamatory accusations by a character with nothing behind it is something the moderator should and must prevent.
Sincerely, Steve
 
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Guess you need glasses as well Jamie, my name is in print EVERY time I post, yet you still think its Greshman.

Greshman, You have another customer .

You've lost me, what on earth are you tralking about. Ramblings of a crazy man, sounds like to me.

You have continually failed to answer any questions from people on this thread, other then ones you choose to answer. I used to do that as a kid, seletive listen, BUT I GREW OUT OF THAT.

Tullock got out of this industry because of what it was doing, just to join another industry thats done more ecological damage then our industry ever has. Orchids, yup now theres a industry that started out on a good environmental footing. The original orchid hunters, burned entire forests to eliminate all the orchids growing there, making them extinct, so no other orchid hunter could own one. They even burned down fellow orchid hunters greenhouses and had them murderred in the field in their quest to be the sole owner rare orchids.

Man, yet another hose sucker who thinks he knows it all, I finally see why you don't like to talk about yourself. I also see now why MAC invited you to the MAC workshop. Funny thing is, when I asked about what you've done, you supplied a list of things. One of them, you stated you've imported fish for your business (service guy), well we just learned you were pumping up the list to make yourself look bigger. 2 trial shipments does not make one an importer of fish, but hay, all my friends in the tech field lie on their resumes as well, to look more attactive. What was your role, other then a little water quality speach and paper (you can't call that an article, its like what, 3 paragraphs). What exactly was your role in PI, what did you do?

BTW, recieving money from OFI for your pilot program (which is another way of saying, failed business) PNP means you did get assistance from the industry. Dealing direct with stores and hobbyists drove every wholesaler away from you. dealing with hobbyist, drove the stores away. Why you failed is evident, you had no clue how the industry really works, and stepped on every ones feet. Then you cried foul after they wouldn't support you for stepping on their feet and selling to their customers. How did you expect them to take it? Example, in Chicago, you tried to set-up a way for CMAS to get cheap, direct fish (straight from PI to Chicago) from PNP. Hearing that news, all the local stores and wholesalers instantly wrote you off.
 

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Rover":2wfv6xm4 said:
Guys, I've been trying to stay out of this, but it's getting a little out of hand. If you have some facts to bring to the discussion, bring them. If you have some legitimate questions, ask them If you just don't like somebody, use the little PM button. I'm allergic to hip waders.

Rover,

The reason why I started this thread was only one. I wanted to disclose information that is relevant to the situation in the Philippines. I wanted to get the truth out in the open about activities that took and are taking place in the Philippines by a group that I consider anti-MAC.

During months, probably years, this same individuals have been attacking MAC and other NGOs of wrong doing. Now, the anti-MAC group considers that is not fair what I have been doing in the last 5 days. It is not gossip, I
do have concrete evidence showing the actions of members of the anti-MAC group .


Sincerely

Jaime
 

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Call me slow, but I've read this whole thread and I can't figure out what the wrong doing is. Please stop droping hints and tell me what is going on that is so bad.
 
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Concrete evidance. If its so good, why have you only posted about this letter, and not posted the actual letter? You wouldn't even forward it to Mary, one of the people it was addressed to. It can't be a confidentality question, it was written to her!!! the only things us readers can gather from your actions, are 1. the letter ins't damning or 2. you don't actually have the letter, you've only been told about it or your making it up.

MAC gets bashed, MAC backers ask, "what are you doing to help". Said bashers say, "we found a group that'll support real training and supply netting (unlike past trainings), and they'd like to work with MAC". MAC and said group fail to work with each other, so they seperate. The said bashers find another group thats willing to support training and netting supply, seperate then any MAC programs. So now theres competing training fractions, and MAC backers can't accept it. The MAC backers in question are now trying to find anything on the other group, to shut them down, making MAC the only group again. Why not have competing training sessions, it'll show who's bonafide and who's trying to pull the wool over our eyes. MAC wants miilions, and needs millions. Unlike MAC, the other group isn't salary heavy, actually, theres no salaries to be paid, so all the money they recieve goes to actual goods and services. With what Paul has made from his years at MAC, thousasnds could've been trained and equipted with proper supplies.
 
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The reason why I started this thread was only one. I wanted to disclose information that is relevant to the situation in the Philippines. I wanted to get the truth out in the open about activities that took and are taking place in the Philippines by a group that I consider anti-MAC.

I haven't seen any information, only an apparent smear camapign. I'm trying not to pick sides, and I'm keeping the thread open so that those you are leveling accusations at may defend themselves. But you aren't being as clear as you think you are. Is it illegal to be anti-MAC? :?

During months, probably years, this same individuals have been attacking MAC and other NGOs of wrong doing. Now, the anti-MAC group considers that is not fair what I have been doing in the last 5 days. It is not gossip, I
do have concrete evidence showing the actions of members of the anti-MAC group .

Maybe I'm just not getting it, but it seems to me that you are accusing businesses and businessmen of making money. It is my understanding that that is how business works. Could provide a little clarity to your accusations?
 

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Mike was kind enough to send me the email that he thinks you are referring to. However Jaime, I would appreciate it if you would forward the exact one you are referring to so I can be sure. Please forward to [email protected]
 
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Not trying to stir anything up, Gresham, but I think Jaime is trying to illustrate that his name is J A I M E, not Jamie (transposition of the "m" and the "i'). Of course, I could be wrong.

I'm curious to see something more... declaritive (sp?) from you, Jaime. I'm having great trouble interpreting what you're trying to allude to. However, I've been known to need to be "hit over the head" with things, as well.
 
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Seamaiden, you could be right, since Jaime never says anything straight out. I doubt if he even caught on to me spelling his name that way (a simple mistake, just spelling it like my freind spells his), but if he did, I do apologize for that unintentional mistake.
 

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See here maiden,
There is nothing to the Jamie hysteria worth the time to try and understand it. The character assassination, false allegations and insults he makes are invitations to response. When allowed to, anything he says is easy to pick apart and discredit.
The question many have on their minds is; WHERE is he really coming from? Whats the motive here? Why does he want the current net training plans to fail? Who is his master really? Hoping for a job by doing hatchett jobs for MAC?
Since hes doing so poorly and has won over no one...there seems to be little to bother with.
Yes, we all feel sorry for people like this, but the next nasty string of invectives he'll issue, will lessen the sympathy.
Covering for Haribons village training failures of the past that kept the cyanide trade going is really the problem here. My charges of incompetence and mis-management in the Haribon program is what set him off.
Prior to this, he gave me support and compliments for my training efforts.. Its in the record of reef.org in the very beginning of his
'contributions'. Look it up!
For those initial and original kind words, I thank him.
Sincerely, Steve

PS. Gresham, We all have patience for people whos first language is not English. Just like he had patience for my imperfect Spanish.
 
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PS. Gresham, We all have patience for people whos first language is not English. Just like he had patience for my imperfect Spanish.

I have a lot of patience for people who's langauge isn't english, I wouldn't be working in an international type business if I didn't. Could you imagine me hanging up the phone on Carlos when he calls from Baja, Mexico? What did Carlos say about the shipment Gresham, oh I dunno, I hung up on him cuz I had no patience for non english speaking peoples.

Spanish is broken into many forms, what they speak in Columbia, is different from what they speak in Spain as well as in Mexico. You get localized versions of all langauges, I have a hard time understanding people from the south (Not you Mitch, I understand you) and they speak english, their even in the same country as me. It doesn't surprise me that Jaime doesn't think Steve speak his version of spanish. Steve learned from being in villages in Mexico, not from going to school and living in Columbia. I don't speak proper english, my friends from England tell me that all the time. Steve doesn't speak proper spanish, so what?
 

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Jaime Baquero":1w6l45jj said:
Mike,

Better to stay away from S.R

The message I sent regarding how Ferdinand is controling the situation is concrete and precise. Just take the example of Marivi.

Your questions were addressed adequately, I will take a look of them latter and will get back to you.

I got over 15 PM from readers expressing support.

Regards

Jaime

Jaime,

The message you sent earlier was absolutely riddled with errors, especially WRT the time line.

What example with Marivi? Your version of events was laughably wrong.
How would I know this? Because I met with Marivi in January, and we talked for HOURS face to face, about MAC, about Ferdinand, and about the fish business. My source of information is Marivi. I don't think she'd be passing out wrong information about herself.

You've asked me a dozen questions and I've answered them all as precisely as possible. How about you answer mine?

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 
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Mike, like REEForm, Jaime doesn't answer questions, he asks em. I'd love a few responses as well.
 

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MaryHM":2r1i3nkq said:
Your damn right we attack MAC for allowing their "certified" exporters to carry cyanide caught fish. When you label a company as MAC Certified, it sets up a certain idea in people's heads that all of the fish are net caught. And MAC doesn't do a bit of PR to let people know otherwise. In my mind, that is fraudulent. MAC is held to a higher standard because they are certifying the industry. It should mean something. For the second part, where in the world did any of us ever say anything about certifying any fish?? You've gone off the deep end there. The collective "we" are not about certifying. We're about getting net caught fish into the marketplace. You can take your MAC stickers and use them to try to hold your argument together- that's about all they're worth.

Major advertising for MAC will soon be appearing. The phrase...MAC Certified retailers may carry both MAC Certified organisms and those that are not MAC Certified. Only those tanks carrying the MAC Certified label contain MAC Certified organisms.... will be prominent in the ads.

From the MAC Website:

How to Find MAC Certified Organisms


* Look for retail shops with the MAC Certified label in the window and then within the shop look for the tank(s) that are also labeled “Marine Aquarium Council Certified.”

* MAC Certified retailers may carry both MAC Certified organisms and those that are not MAC Certified. Only those tanks carrying the MAC Certified label contain MAC Certified organisms.

* Some retailers may have a MAC Certificate of Registration posted in their shop but do not have a MAC Certified label in their window. This means the facilities have been certified to handle organisms in a manner consistent with the MAC Standards but they have not yet had access to MAC Certified marine ornamentals from MAC Certified suppliers. When the retailer starts to provide MAC Certified marine ornamentals from a MAC Certified supplier they will be able to use the MAC Certified labels to identify the certified organisms.
 

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Interesting approach, John.

May I suggest that you move it to its own topic?
You may get better exposure there because it certainly is buried here.

Regards.
Mike Kirda
 
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