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A business plan has been developed that projects the fact that the MAC Certification system will become selffinancing
when 30% of the marine aquarium trade is participating.
This is based on an industry (importer and
retailer) willingness and ability to pay fees and/or 2% of wholesale purchase value to MAC for the goods and
services that certification provided. This could be accomplished in the next 3-5 years, with the MAMTI project
alone targeting to deliver over half of this output,


Thought this was deserving of a repost. Let's put two and two together. According to their study, MAC will become self sufficient with only 30% of the industry involved. MAC's biggest obstacle is coming up with enough fish to go around to all of the existing stores. Then some legislation gets floated proposing to make all non certified fish illegal.

What happens to the remaining 70% of the industry?


(*poof* fish supply problem solved...)
 

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Rover your question is a good one.
IMO there are few factors at play here.

1. Supply and demand. With a ban on cheap cyanide caught fish from the Phillippines and Indonesia, the price on fish will rise. With the rise in price I would expect to see a sharp decline in hobbyists and massive industry failures at all levels

2. However, within a few years fish caught without cyanide, properly transported would arrive with a next to nil DOA rate presenting savings to industry.

3. The ban on species on the Unsuitable Species List (USL) would also present a savings to industry as I would think that these fish would have the highest DOA rates.

4. The ban on the importation of wild coral would be replaced by the home grown frag business and Islands farmed corals.
You would get much smaller corals but the price would be the same.

5. I would expect those whose pockets were lined with gold at the expense of the reefs to invest in farmed corals, new methods of fish and coral and invert propagation because after all they have the money contacts and infrastructure to do this.

6. But most importantly, as nature with the help of professionals oversees the gradual restoration of the reefs, the reefs will flourish, the fish will be abundant and we can look forward to wealth of healthy coral, fish and inverts that we have not seen for a long long time.

That is why it is imperative that the use of cyanide stop immediately and why I fully support the BILL
 

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Well I printed the entire 172 page MAMTI Manifesto. I also have the file on my computer just in case the link gets cloaked. I will be carefully reading and highliting areas of concern and there are a great many. I would hate like hell to be a MAC guy at the upcoming MACNA. A lot of the questions I asked the former MAC certified retailers on the AMDA BOD about are answered in the body of the manifesto. Mark and Rick dodged the questions I asked and mislead us about the costs of certification. This report expects the average retailer to spend $4,000 to get ready for certification. They expect some of the wholesalers will have to spend more than 100k. The 2% will be ongoing. They expect to take in $900,000 from industry per year I believe. It is all in the link. You should all go read and download. The jig is up. Why didn't John post this link? Why did Glenn have to find it? Just another of 13 groups MAC was seeking grants from my ass. :roll:
Mitch

PS I meant former AMDA BOD members. One is still a MAC certified retailer. The other closed his shop and works for MAC now.
 
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Hey Mitch,
Start with Annex 16. Starts at page 122. Some very interesting reading, considering we're at year 4 of the MAC plan.
 

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Mitch and All,

I paid the certifier $700 USD for the assessment fee.........

I don't "dodge" questions! There may be things I don't know. If I don't know, I say that, I don't bs! Is that dodging the question? sure I'm new to this part of the business, I'm just trying to do something good. I would really rather be back home with my family.... you all can either become proactive in the evolution of this industry, or sit by and watch the changes take place.

this industry has participated in the degredation of the asian reefs. certainly not a "major" contributor, but still a participant in the exploitation. destructive fishing practices and excessive, needless mortality are the main problems as I see it..

I'm off to cebu, see you next week... : /
 

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I remember that Mitch was called a conspiracy theorist before the truth of the MAMTI documents were outed.
In fact, an area 57 type guy with a pointy aluminum hat!

Fact is, he was 100%on target.
Steve
 

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Mark,
It wasn't me digging up that old thread. The fact is our representative (AMDA) to the MAC intentionally withheld information about MAMTI from the rest of the BOD. You know who he was so I won't name names. There is definitely some language in the MAMTI document that was/is cause for concern. Someone is going to have to pay the green investors of CCIF, the expected ROI. Odds are they'll get theirs before the collectors see any windfall. I'm not trying to work against you or the MAC. I want the industry to be sustainable.
Mitch

PS I also believe there are hidden costs in getting certifed. Getting the store ready to prevent co-mingling one batch of yellow tangs with an earlier batch for example. Getting software to report DOA/DAA is another cost. I personally don't have a problem with upgrading my systems to be compliant, but the costs are real. You also know I asked you guys if you were the ones used in the dealer cost benefit study and I didn't get a response.
 

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Mitch,
This stuffs over his head.
He's just trying to get some fish supply going to go with the mountains of paperwork that depends on it. Marks got a much simpler agenda.
Have fun Mark.
Steve
 

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Look Steve I have no desire to see this old stuff dug up. I believe Mark is honest. There may be some things he would rather not discuss and I can understand that. None of us can change anything that happened in the past. Our time is best spent preparing for the future.
Mitch

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I believe Mark when he says he would rather be home with his family. Give him a chance.
 

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He's just trying to get some fish supply going to go with the mountains of paperwork that depends on it...
Mitch,

The point I wanted to make is that the paperwork mandates that come with this thing are so onerous and complicated at the importer level that only small amounts ie. token amounts of fish can run thru it.

Bicolor angels for example may well come in from Bali, a Philippine shipment or two, Fiji, Tonga in the same week!
This is 5 sets of fish to keep seperate and documented from last weeks leftovers from 5 shipments.
This alone will create a huge pressure to shortcut and/or falsify the thing...and it has already been discussed at length right here on RDO.

Importers that join this thing are also happy the fish supply is so small. Small enough to keep the paperwork mess to a minimum. The only reason it is accepted by them is because its still not real!

THIS IS WHAT CERTIFICATION WILL MEAN AND IT HAS AND WILL ALIENATE WAY TOO MANY DEALERS TO BECOME REALISTIC. And thats not going to help the environment.


Mark is trying his best to deliver us, PERHAPS UNWITTINGLY unto this nightmare.
Steve
 

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