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Interesting snippets.

A business plan has been developed that projects the fact that the MAC Certification system will become selffinancing
when 30% of the marine aquarium trade is participating. This is based on an industry (importer and
retailer) willingness and ability to pay fees and/or 2% of wholesale purchase value to MAC for the goods and
services that certification provided. This could be accomplished in the next 3-5 years, with the MAMTI project
alone targeting to deliver over half of this output,

and they have a whole section on gender issues.....

4.5.3 Alternative: Have MAC as sole implementer of a MAMTI project
In the initial discussions of a possible project, the Partners evaluated the possibility that MAC could undertake
the project itself, as the main organization concerned with the transformation of marine aquarium trade. This
approach was rejected due to the difficulty and size of the task of mainstreaming the transformation of the
marine aquarium trade in countries as complex as the Philippines and Indonesia. The project Partners bring
skills and expertise that complement those of MAC and create a unique team capable of undertaking the
challenge of the goals of the MAMTI project.
4.5.4 Alternative: Enable the marine ornamentals industry to drive reform of their suppliers.
The project team evaluated the possibility of supporting US and European importers, as well as major
Indonesian and Philippine exporters, to transform their suppliers to more sustainable practices. However, the
industry chain is too complex for this approach to succeed. Major importers have very little control over the
widely fragmented collection industry. They are also financially not equipped to undertake the extensive
community-level training program and resource assessments that are required. While the industry will
financially support an established sustainable collection infrastructure, it has neither the resources nor the
capacity to build it.
 
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8.5 Evaluate Cyanide Detection Test (CDT) Potential, Develop Sampling Protocol and Program and
Establish Pilot Labs
The use of cyanide is not allowed under MAC Certification. At this time the principal destructive practice issue
is sodium cyanide and the extent of its use in the Philippines and Indonesia. The MAC Certification of
collection and export operations in the Philippines without an approved cyanide detection test (CDT) and a
monitoring and sampling program have raised concerns that cyanide caught fish (or fish of unknown origin) are
knowingly or unknowingly mixed with organisms coming from MAC Certified collection areas in a MAC
Certified export facility. As MAC Certification began to be implemented with collectors and their communities
it became evident that improving and expanding the technical solution to cyanide use (i.e. CDT) was not
necessarily the best and most needed response to the issue, although CDT can serve as an important threat and
deterrent. With MAC Certification, there are other approaches that can be used to create broad scale, longer
lasting changes in behavior among fishers.
The long term role and applicability of CDT testing as the principle response to cyanide use has a number of
issues: the cost and difficulty of sustainable financing for maintaining a network of CDT labs; the complicated
science of cyanide detection; the variations of cyanide presence in fish due to variability in the time it takes to
get fish to the lab; the possibility of "false positives" (i.e. fish that were caught without cyanide but have the
chemical when tested) due to background cyanide on reefs from pollution or other fishing activities; the
difficulty of trying to use the CDT to monitor a significant portion of catch or shipments; the serious constraints
to developing and implementing a credible CDT lab network in large archipelagic countries. With MAC
Certification the non-use of cyanide is part of a larger context of responsible fishing practices, i.e. one of a range
of practices for which individual fishers need to take responsibility for their personal behavior and be able to be
held accountable for. In implementing MAC Certification, a significant amount of effort has focused on
developing a variety of mechanisms for preventing cyanide use in the first place, and not only on seeking to
detect cyanide after it is has been used. Nonetheless, MAC Certification in locations where cyanide use is
known to occur or have occurred must include a program of monitoring, sampling and testing for cyanide by
credible, accurate, and reliable methods used by internationally accredited laboratories.
Annex 2: Detailed Project Description of Activities and Outputs
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There is thus a need to determine which cyanide detection test (CDT) is appropriate, cost-effective and practical
for indicating whether fish have been caught using cyanide. There are several CDT methods that have been used
and these need to be evaluated. The MAMTI team will work with laboratories, government agencies, research
institutions and chemical detection equipment manufacturers to create a network and partnerships for evaluating
CDT. However these are only potentially useful during a short period after potential exposure of fish to cyanide
due to the biological transformation of the cyanide into secondary products. The MAMTI project will research
the potential for these later by-products of cyanide exposure to be detected at the point of import.
If any of the methods available for use are determined to be appropriate and effective, the MAMTI project will
establish a pilot cyanide detection testing laboratory in both the Philippines and Indonesia. Lab staff would
require training in the CDT methods. The lab must be run by credible and independent organizations, such as a
scientific body, research institution or NGO. However, the laboratory should have an appropriate level of
association with to the national government fisheries agencies, e.g. BFAR and DKP. The MAMTI project will
develop and implement a protocol for random sampling of certified fish as a requirement of certified collectors
and exporters. A sampling program would train and manage a group of individuals to collect random samples
from fishing boats, holding pens, and exporters for delivery to CDT labs. The fish samplers would make
unannounced visits to obtain whichever fish they chose, within the limits of the established protocol and strict
documentation and tracking system for the samples.
The intermediate goal would be to have two CDT labs functioning by year two of the MAMTI project, with a
significant per cent of the MAC Certified fish being sampled and tested according to the program. The longer
term goal for the end of the project is to develop a “user pays” system whereby the industry pays, as much as
possible, for the costs of the sampling program and the CDT labs that are operated by credible, independent
institutions that have an appropriate affiliation with government.
Specific Activities:
· Develop network of experts to evaluate existing CDT methods.
· Undertake research on detecting cyanide long after exposure.
· Evaluate possible methods for detecting cyanide long after exposure.
· Establish CDT lab in each country, including lab staff training.
· Develop sampling protocol and program, including training of fish samplers.
· Develop “user pays” system with industry
Outputs:
· Report evaluating existing CDT methods.
· Report on potential for import level CDT.
· 2 pilot CDT labs established (1 each in Philippines and Indonesia).
· A significant % of MAC Certified fish are sampled for cyanide beginning year 2 of MAMTI.
· Long term CDT “user pays” situation is in place
 
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Industry Investment
Using conservative assumptions, we have analyzed likely investment on the part of each of three components of
the marine ornamentals value chain – exporters, importers and retailers.
Exporters
With respect to the export market in the Philippines and Indonesia, we have made the following assumptions:
· Approximately 25 exporters in the Philippines and 35 in Indonesia;
· Over a 5 year period, approximately 30% of exporters will make investments in infrastructure and
personnel training related to MAC Certification;
· Average infrastructure investment of $40,000; and
· Average personnel investment: $10,000 (4 person months at $2,500 each).
Importers
Regarding the import market in the United States and Europe, we have divided importers into 3 classes – Large,
medium and small. We have made the following assumptions for each class of importers:
Large
· Approximately 7 large importers in the US and Europe combined;
· Over a 5 year period, at least 50% of large importers will make investments in infrastructure and
personnel training related to MAC Certification;
· Average infrastructure investment of $200,000 (by way of conservative comparison, a recent
infrastructure and personnel investment was made by a large importer for $800,000); and
Annex 7: Project Budget and Co-Financing
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· Average personnel investment: $10,000 (4 person months at $2,500 each).
Medium
· Approximately 25 medium importers in the US and Europe combined;
· Over a 5 year period, at least 30% of medium importers will make investments in infrastructure and
personnel training related to MAC Certification;
· Average infrastructure investment of $100,000; and
· Average personnel investment: $10,000 (4 person months at $2,500 each).
Small
· Approximately 20 small importers in the US and Europe combined;
· Over a 5 year period, at least 30% of small importers will make investments in infrastructure and
personnel training related to MAC Certification;
· Average infrastructure investment of $40,000; and
· Average personnel investment: $10,000 (4 person months at $2,500 each).
Retailers
With respect to the retail market in the United States and Europe, we have made the following assumptions:
· Approximately 4,500 retailers in the US and Europe combined;
· Over a 5 year period, approximately 30% of retailers will make investments related to MAC
certification; and
· Average investment of $4,000.
 
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On MAC:

2. Operating Strategy
MAC is committed to achieving the following outcomes and milestones by 2005:
Logistic concept verification. Over the next 18-24 months, MAC will prove that the concept of
certification can work in the marine ornamental industry. To do so, it will, at minimum, reach the
following milestones, some of which have already been achieved by early 2003.
Annex 16: Summary of MAC Business Plan
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Verification of an operational certification system. At least six collection areas and their
corresponding chains of custody are certified, and certified products are moving from reef to
retail.
Meaningful supply development. At least five percent of market volume will be certified. This
translates to the certification of about 15,000 export boxes of marine fish per year, and 250,000+
pieces of coral and other invertebrates. The certified supply will include near-representative
amounts of the twenty top-selling fish, coral and other invertebrate species.
Demonstration of a certified chain of custody. At least seventy percent of the created certified
supply of fish and coral will track through to the retailer level and sell as certified product in, at
minimum, four key countries: the US, UK, Netherlands and Germany.
Demonstration of demand. Consumers will buy the available retail volume.
Environmental concept verification. At least 2,000 boxes of marine fish per year will come from
the Philippines, to prove that the concept can be executed in historically difficult supply
environments. All source reefs will be fully monitored and subject to the reef management laid
out in a specific collection area management plan.
Industry adoption. MAC will have certified the facilities of at least two top US importers and at
least one of the top three importers (by volume) in its other target consumer markets: the UK,
Netherlands and Germany.
Industry and stakeholder support. MAC needs to show willingness within the industry to support
certification. Within the next 18 months, MAC will begin to transition towards becoming
financially independent with a portion of financial support coming from the industry. This will
most likely be through a two percent levy on the C & F value of certified products purchased by
importers, as well as a $100 flat fee for retailers. In addition, industry groups, individual
companies, conservation groups, government/international agencies, and local communities will
formally express support for MAC Certification and will be offered the opportunity to provide
financial support.
 
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4. Revenue Generation
The recommended industry fees outlined below were determined through a combination of
market testing within the industry and financial modeling of various fee structures. The market
testing was conducted through a series of structured interviews with a broad range of industry
players including small, and large exporters, importers, and retailers throughout the US and
international markets and a workshop with the Executive Committee of the MAC Board of
Directors. Based on the feedback coming out of these efforts, a series of fee scenarios were
modeled for MAC. The conclusions reached regarding an industry fee applied to importers and
retailers was determined by the majority of those consulted to be at a reasonable level and
feasible for MAC to implement.
MAC will begin implementing a set of industry fees, which will, as the number of certified
companies rises, gradually replace donor grants as the primary source of funding. Discussion
with the industry by the business planning consultants showed that those exporters, importers,
and retailers who are most likely to be early adopters of certification are also the most likely to
support MAC financially.
Retailer Fees. MAC anticipates charging retailers who carry MAC-certified products a support
fee of $100/yr. per store (which will gradually increase to $200/yr.) This charge will be in
addition to third party certification expenses as well as any infrastructural upgrades that might be
required. The fees will be collected by certifiers at the time of the annual store
inspection/monitoring, in conjunction with their collection of certification costs, and remitted to
MAC.
Importer fees. MAC currently anticipates charging participating importers a MAC support fee of
two percent of their C & F wholesale cost of MAC Certified Organisms. For example, an
importer receiving $50,000 of certified fish and coral per year, which is sold to retailers for
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$140,000, will pay only an annual MAC fee of $1,000 (which is equivalent to less than 0.7 % of
the retail sales value). In addition, the importer will have to pay for initial certification and yearly
monitoring expenses – but these costs do not accrue to MAC. With a thirty percent adoption rate
of MAC Certification, as expected in five years, total industry support will reach over $900,000 a
year.
Exporter/collector fees. In the long-term, it is important for exporters to participate in providing
financial support for MAC, as they play a significant role in the industry and ultimately need to
buy into the industry’s role in providing financial support for MAC. However, MAC does not
believe that exporter or collector fees are productive in the initial years of operation. Many
collector and exporter operations are small (including many of the high quality operations that are
likely to be MAC pioneers) and cannot afford MAC fees in addition to basic certification and
auditing expenses. In addition, accounts receivable collections from exporters and collectors
around the world (many of which have highly unstable currencies) are complex and expensive.
Lastly, MAC’s initial emphasis on rapid supply development is facilitated by low barriers to entry
for collectors and exporters. In the short-term, MAC will encourage exporters to fund
certification supply development efforts in their respective countries. Longer-term, MAC will
develop a fee system that enables exporters to contribute a realistic share of financial support for
MAC.
 
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the sham began on the very first pages

one of the most glaring was the dollar to kilo values placed on mo fish vs food fish-the figures have no base in reality for what the divers get paid /kg one vs. the other


and the exclusivity/exclusionist/monopolist intent was blatantly and explicitly stated from the get go, w/ words like 'only'

mac is getting pretty ballsy, if ya ask me

i sure hope for their sake they weren't involved, or can't be shown to be involved in politiking

congress doesn't take too kindly to lobbying by non-profits, as a general rule :wink:
 
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I'd just like to say that Rover has really shown his post-whore colors with this thread. ;)

Peace,

Chip
 

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Ah the infamous MAMTI Manifesto that details the plot to completely take over and transform the marine industry. Insider knowledge of this scheme has forever ruined the credibility of those who tried to smeer me for my efforts to expose it. Shame on those of you who tried to help cover and conceal it until it was too late for the industry to fight back. I can always tell that when people are lying and deceiving people that they are hiding something. I hope this serves as a lesson to some of the rest of you. Thank for posting Glenn. You got big ones my friend.
Mitch
 
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Meaningful supply development. At least five percent of market volume will be certified. This
translates to the certification of about 15,000 export boxes of marine fish per year, and 250,000+
pieces of coral and other invertebrates.

I thought MAC certification was for fish only?



FWIW, I don't necessarily think this is all bad. A lot of it is necessary. I am however worried about the amount of power (especially when backed up by legislation) it gives to an organization (MAC) that has yet to prove its effectiveness at production.
 
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dizzy":1uc4hlgr said:
Ah the infamous MAMTI Manifesto that details the plot to completely take over and transform the marine industry. Insider knowledge of this scheme has forever ruined the credibility of those who tried to smeer me for my efforts to expose it. Shame on those of you who tried to help cover and conceal it until it was too late for the industry to fight back. I can always tell that when people are lying and deceiving people that they are hiding something. I hope this serves as a lesson to some of the rest of you. Thank for posting Glenn. You got big ones my friend.
Mitch

Hmmm I see Athens GA being put on a blacklist in the near future. :D Good post Glenn.
 
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I just did a google search. The information was readily avaliable. Who did they think was going to read it?
 
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Rover":2hu318rr said:
Who did they think was going to read it?

Apparently no-one...which is another reason why I hate politics and politicians. Instead of saying what they're planning, they bury the important stuff in some HUGE document.

It's a bunch of crap that's meaningless...

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Rover":mki5onmk said:
I thought MAC certification was for fish only?

Maybe they were referencing CITES? Does it say anywhere that MAC was going to handle the coral import, as well?

Rover":mki5onmk said:
an organization (MAC) that has yet to prove its effectiveness at production.

...effectiveness at anything other than wasting huge amounts of money, you mean...

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As our friend Hy might say: "Captain come quick. The cloaking machine has malfunctioned." :lol: :lol:
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Rover":ebeyez3z said:
I thought MAC certification was for fish only?

Short term, yes. Long term, no.

Paul and Co. have stated over the years that fish is their primary focus and that they'll look at corals and aquaculture once they are successful with fish.
 

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As we know,
Any outfit with the wherewithall to breed fish commercially is already far beyond the competence of a MAC to judge it. Why on earth would ProAquatix or ORA need certification? They don't.
MAC however wants money and to attach itself to ongoing money machines for both validation and subsidy.
They will never be successful with engineering fish supply and will never feed the trade netcaught, sustainably collected fish to any degree.
The skill is just not in them.
However...the events in the 5 year plan push onward and the sanctions against those who would not join MAC are now appearing .
By now there was to be a carrot and then the stick. They are now seen as presenting only the stick!
To produce carrots, you have to know how to farm. These city boys are only good at creating law enforcement and negative sanctions it would appear.
They are exposed now for all to see.
Steve
 

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