Reox for corals in transship ?
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I wouldn't be boasting about pimping livestock on eBay in this forum :evil: because what little credibility you may have had, will be sniped like a last-second bid.
Even though eBay doesn't seem to enforce this where corals are concerned, the sale of live animals is prohibited on eBay, just an FYI.
As for 'rare corals' on eBay -- I've seen everything frm rare Acanthastrea to Aiptasia on eBay. Just because "everybody's doing it" doesn't make it right or ethical. And you are talking about becoming MAC certified? Guess ethics and standards go right out the window when it comes to a retail sale, huh? Certification aside, will you even know if the buyer has a saltwater tank? Will you know what their water parameters are, or what their lighting is like? Just check their feeback - that's all that matters.
You still did not answer my question: Is your residential retail location zoned as such, or are you breaking laws to do this?
It seems to me back when you were contemplating this little venture, your intention was to supply LFS with frags grown out in your little facility. Now you're selling direct? Don't expect much support from LFS if you're bypassing them already.
Good luck.
Jenn
Even though eBay doesn't seem to enforce this where corals are concerned, the sale of live animals is prohibited on eBay, just an FYI.
As for 'rare corals' on eBay -- I've seen everything frm rare Acanthastrea to Aiptasia on eBay. Just because "everybody's doing it" doesn't make it right or ethical. And you are talking about becoming MAC certified? Guess ethics and standards go right out the window when it comes to a retail sale, huh? Certification aside, will you even know if the buyer has a saltwater tank? Will you know what their water parameters are, or what their lighting is like? Just check their feeback - that's all that matters.
You still did not answer my question: Is your residential retail location zoned as such, or are you breaking laws to do this?
It seems to me back when you were contemplating this little venture, your intention was to supply LFS with frags grown out in your little facility. Now you're selling direct? Don't expect much support from LFS if you're bypassing them already.
Good luck.
Jenn
we all can form a opinion, thats all it will ever be though 
I like what I do as do the customers so far (who matter)
We are new to business, but know alot about passion for the hobby,due to years of it
We are not trying to close your brick and mortar store
We did not even know it existed
just as you did not know us
there is already enough comp just on ebay
and we have as much right to our greenhouse as you do your store
I like what I do as do the customers so far (who matter)
We are new to business, but know alot about passion for the hobby,due to years of it
We are not trying to close your brick and mortar store
We did not even know it existed
just as you did not know us
there is already enough comp just on ebay
and we have as much right to our greenhouse as you do your store
no jenn this is legal
I have contacted the building inspector as well as the electrical enginer for my power company who is installing seperate power to it
they only inspect the electrical
there is a nursery with over 100 greenhouses 100 ft behind us and everything else if farm feilds
as well I have consulted with the IRS on collection of sales and use for propagated stock as well as resold
I have contacted the building inspector as well as the electrical enginer for my power company who is installing seperate power to it
they only inspect the electrical
there is a nursery with over 100 greenhouses 100 ft behind us and everything else if farm feilds
as well I have consulted with the IRS on collection of sales and use for propagated stock as well as resold
Coralfarmin: Are you as simple as your posts are written?
The only passion I see expressed by you is greed. You also state you have years in the hobby but this is definitely not witnessed by the experience level you exhibit in your posts. Just because you can quote Calfo's book doesn't make you an expert.
The only passion I see expressed by you is greed. You also state you have years in the hobby but this is definitely not witnessed by the experience level you exhibit in your posts. Just because you can quote Calfo's book doesn't make you an expert.
Starting to sound like some sort of haiku... (sp?)
Seems to me you came here asking for opinions - just because you didn't like what you got, don't pout.
Of course customers matter, but so do the animals we are selling. Personally I look for a balance - enough sales to keep the place running but I also need to be able to look myself in the mirror.
Well, I don't think any of us got into this business for our good health. Most if not all of us were and are hobbyists so I don't think you've one-upped us in that department. I've got 20 years into the hobby and 5 into the business. Which brings me to the business part. Most of us posting here and offering you answers to the questions you ask, HAVE been in the business for years. Consider that our advice may just be coming from that experience, and just maybe we're actually tryng to be helpful.
Good thing because we'll be around long after many more dot-coms have failed. I can't keep track of the amount of dot-com sites that have come and gone just in the last few years. At least we LFS only have to compete with one another locally for walk-in customers, and the small percentage (it is a VERY small percentage of hobbyists that shop online) who surf the net. Internet players have to compete on a global scale - it's just as easy to surf to a website on one coast as the other, so then it becomes all about price - the lowball is the winner (or is he?).
What? You've never seen a LFS? You mean you were inspired to get into this hobby by the Internet? Sorry if I have a teensy bit of a hard time buying that one.
Oh we know all about "you". I think that's what disgusts us so.
Right - refer to my comments above about it becoming all about the lowball. People are already out there pimping stuff below cost.. soon the whole system will drive itself out of business. No eBay and such isn't going away but there has to be a point where it's not worth the listing for the meager profit margin IF the item sells.
God Bless America. As long as it's all being done legally, and ethically, that is.
What's your zoning again?
Jenn
coralfarmin":2ti3fl4h said:we all can form a opinion, thats all it will ever be though
Seems to me you came here asking for opinions - just because you didn't like what you got, don't pout.
Of course customers matter, but so do the animals we are selling. Personally I look for a balance - enough sales to keep the place running but I also need to be able to look myself in the mirror.
Well, I don't think any of us got into this business for our good health. Most if not all of us were and are hobbyists so I don't think you've one-upped us in that department. I've got 20 years into the hobby and 5 into the business. Which brings me to the business part. Most of us posting here and offering you answers to the questions you ask, HAVE been in the business for years. Consider that our advice may just be coming from that experience, and just maybe we're actually tryng to be helpful.
Good thing because we'll be around long after many more dot-coms have failed. I can't keep track of the amount of dot-com sites that have come and gone just in the last few years. At least we LFS only have to compete with one another locally for walk-in customers, and the small percentage (it is a VERY small percentage of hobbyists that shop online) who surf the net. Internet players have to compete on a global scale - it's just as easy to surf to a website on one coast as the other, so then it becomes all about price - the lowball is the winner (or is he?).
What? You've never seen a LFS? You mean you were inspired to get into this hobby by the Internet? Sorry if I have a teensy bit of a hard time buying that one.
Oh we know all about "you". I think that's what disgusts us so.
Right - refer to my comments above about it becoming all about the lowball. People are already out there pimping stuff below cost.. soon the whole system will drive itself out of business. No eBay and such isn't going away but there has to be a point where it's not worth the listing for the meager profit margin IF the item sells.
God Bless America. As long as it's all being done legally, and ethically, that is.
What's your zoning again?
Jenn
jenn
I am zoned for agriculter I guess since we also have over 5 more acres located 3 miles away I think we can even get a farm truck tag, pm me and I will try to get you the inspectors #
If you really want it, his name was Carl I think ...I will have to call agin tomorrow when he is in and I will ask him what exactly it is Zoned..he told me its just like any other of the hundreds of greenhouses he inspected,
I am not aquaculturing commercial yet, I am contacting Mr Elisis at the NC department of Aquaculter (I think is his last name) about the need or lack of a aquaculter permit for that
We also plan to grow ornamental shrubs or tomatos in seperate greenhouses later
I am zoned for agriculter I guess since we also have over 5 more acres located 3 miles away I think we can even get a farm truck tag, pm me and I will try to get you the inspectors #
If you really want it, his name was Carl I think ...I will have to call agin tomorrow when he is in and I will ask him what exactly it is Zoned..he told me its just like any other of the hundreds of greenhouses he inspected,
I am not aquaculturing commercial yet, I am contacting Mr Elisis at the NC department of Aquaculter (I think is his last name) about the need or lack of a aquaculter permit for that
We also plan to grow ornamental shrubs or tomatos in seperate greenhouses later
Well there *is* a difference between "agriculture" and "aquaculture" but that's just me arguing semantics (and spelling) again I don't need or want to call your inspector. Not worth my time as it's no danger to me, or my business.
You've asked numerous questions here and in other threads and several of us have taken the time to offer up the benefit of our experience and opinions. It just seems that whenever the answer isn't what you wish to hear, you decide to get argumentative about it.
Your inexperience is showing again is all
Do as you please - you are anyway. Like I said before, good luck with it.
Jenn
I don't need or want to call your inspector. Not worth my time as it's no danger to me, or my business.You've asked numerous questions here and in other threads and several of us have taken the time to offer up the benefit of our experience and opinions. It just seems that whenever the answer isn't what you wish to hear, you decide to get argumentative about it.
Your inexperience is showing again is all
Do as you please - you are anyway. Like I said before, good luck with it.
Jenn
thank you jenn
the only differance will be the need or lack of a $12 permit..I think
But I dont commercialy aquaculter yet anyway
I just started and admit to needing to learn
but experiance is the best teacher
I think this turned into another anti Mac thread nothing more if I never mentioned them I may have learned more about re-ox
the only differance will be the need or lack of a $12 permit..I think
But I dont commercialy aquaculter yet anyway
I just started and admit to needing to learn
but experiance is the best teacher
I think this turned into another anti Mac thread nothing more if I never mentioned them I may have learned more about re-ox
Well you got the info you wanted about re-ox... but I believe it was you who also made the first mention of MAC ... and this forum is notorious for its passionate opinions about MAC.
You aren't commercially aquaculturing (or agriculturing) yet but you *are* retailing (or e-tailing). Best to make sure you have all the necessary permits in order. Could make for a nasty fine if all that pesky paperwork isn't done.
Having a retail store myself, I had to have a certificate of occupancy, a business licence, a resale permit, and an animal protection licence BEFORE I even received a dry goods shipment, let alone a livestock shipment.
Playing by the rules is much more important when you have a legitimate storefront, I guess. :roll:
Jenn
You aren't commercially aquaculturing (or agriculturing) yet but you *are* retailing (or e-tailing). Best to make sure you have all the necessary permits in order. Could make for a nasty fine if all that pesky paperwork isn't done.
Having a retail store myself, I had to have a certificate of occupancy, a business licence, a resale permit, and an animal protection licence BEFORE I even received a dry goods shipment, let alone a livestock shipment.
Playing by the rules is much more important when you have a legitimate storefront, I guess. :roll:
Jenn
Seems like someone hasn't done all his homework, yet. To find out how your zoned, you need to call the "zoning" commission for your area. An electrical inspector, can only certify that your electrics (from meter to building and all wiring) is done to code. Same as with a building inspector.
There's a big difference between zoned agricultural, commercial or residential, and a farm lic. plate aint got nothing to do with it.
My house is zoned residential with a commercial building on my lot, oh and I'm also agricultural too. And yes, I qualify for a "farm" lic. :roll:
There's a big difference between zoned agricultural, commercial or residential, and a farm lic. plate aint got nothing to do with it.
My house is zoned residential with a commercial building on my lot, oh and I'm also agricultural too. And yes, I qualify for a "farm" lic. :roll:
I did file a DBA form with the county
I do have a resell permit
I just have to check with the aquaculter department about aquaculter permits, since these are onamental like plants I dont think its the same as raising catfish to eat so the need of a permit is in question for that
I do have a resell permit
I just have to check with the aquaculter department about aquaculter permits, since these are onamental like plants I dont think its the same as raising catfish to eat so the need of a permit is in question for that
dizzy":3gwstrhz said:
Good catch, Mitch. I missed that one. Yep here in GA the state handles sales tax too
Good points too, Sally. Yep that, 'certificate of occupancy' meant I had to have a fire inspection and a building inspection which means the fire marshall and building inspector had to make sure I met all the codes for safety, building and stuff.
The department of Agriculture here in GA handles the pet trade and issues animal protection licences. I had to have the state inspector come to my store and he wrote a 3 page report about my store. I've been inspected once since in the 3+ years I've been open and never had a complaint filed with them. Still they can inspect me at any time for any reason.
If one is transshipping (which I don't and never have, so I'm asking now...) doesn't one need permits and such for that? Or does a middleman handle that?
Jenn
coralfarmin":mbgi78xh said:
Just a little FYI... corals are animals, not plants. They won't fall under horticulture.
I think it's a bit more like raising catfish than you might think. A state inspector will want to know where your waste water is going and all. At least they do here.
Perhaps you do need to do some more of your own homework.
Jenn
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