Industry Reform forum ?

[coralfarmin]

ok,guys
but I still feel that you will see a big change in the future,could be wrong and still don't understand all the drama yet, but I believe that the constant downing of mac here is not productive either,mabey they will chime in and defend their selfs, since I dont want everyone here aginst me also just because I don't see any productivity in cutting people down every chance someone gets,or understand all the politics here yet

I started this thread, just cause I had a idea, a flame free forum where organizations as well as hobbyists, that have questions that some may think are dumb or comments some don't like,can feel comfortable posting without being degraded and dragged thru the mud,and learn about the future of reformation

mabey all the bad stuff I have read about this forum is true,and thats why some claim to have abandoned it for the most part

all soely imo

 

[Anonymous]

No one drags the informed thru the mud. Sally never ONCE was dragged thru the mud. Why? She did her homework and didn't fill the forum with dribble questions that could be answerred by doing ones homework. It's extremelly hard to continually answer the same question, YEAR AFTER YEAR. It's all here, belive me, just read it. While your at it, spend the time and read the Mac Attack files, it'll slightly enlighten you.

 

[Anonymous]

They (MAC aka Pual the wall) has had billions of chances to chime in here. Does he, nope. Why? He ALWAYS gets his salary, no matter what. He'll send poor JB over, or now poor Mark, but he'll never once post here. You'd think being the head of a multi-million dollar "industry reform" group, he'd be well informed and could trump any question put forth to him.

 

[Anonymous]

heh....


take a look at the threads from holthus' talk on the rdo reefchat forum

so many good questions were asked, none were actually answered

unless you call circular rhetoric an answer :?

it was the most revealing test of MAC on RDO ever :wink:

 

[coralfarmin]

well enough, I wont say anymore on the subject

 

[bookfish]

I believe it's the nature of your postings here that's causing you to feel attacked.
Your posts all fall into a few categories which some of us find difficult to respond positively to.
First of all, there are the completely uninformed threads about your "new world order" plan (RECAP). It's frankly insulting when you waste this forum for such ideas without appearing to do any research on what some have spent their entire lives working on.
Do you really think saving the reefs will be as simple as coming up with a few catchy acronyms?
Do you realise the work involved in setting up a NPO?
Do you see how this could be irritating to folks who have spent lots of time and effort researching this issue in order to be able to make a difference?
Next are the threads where you make up your mind based on little or no information.
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... ht=#848608
This is really the whole point. Unless you're willing to understand the issue (and it is complex, not lending itself to solutions thought up in 5 minutes) then it will be impossible for you to lead the way at this time.
I will join with others in asking you to research this stuff before you post so that your comments can be valuable to this forum.
Otherwise, please just listen and observe for a while.
Thanks for understanding.-Jim

 

[coralfarmin]

fair enough jim
that was all after the fact you know,that led up to and intiated that,I was attacked long before any of that, called ignorant and a moron,by others for other inocent questions comments,one even insisted I thought a slug was a plant,what do you expect
I was also attacked for just saying I sold on ebay and more, like since I did not have a brick and mortar store front,to be fair.I already said I will not mention the subject here anymore.I should of took some others advice and not try to get involved in posting in this forum for the reasons they said, and alot of them are well respected in the industry, I see all their comments are true now imo...sorry for your inconvinance,but I thought I had already explained this and rethought most of my comments
I do have respect for everyone here and look up to most,so please dont take this the wrong way anyone

all soely imo

 

[coralfarmin]

besides this thread started out as a inocent thread that had nothin to do with that then turned into a anti mac thread I started this as a possitive then it went negative imo..I was serious and thought it was a good idea...then it had to turn into a all about mac thread..not by my desire though

all soely imo

btw are you saying you are anti mac as well..if so I really don't have any business here anyway..if even some mods are bias..you say I need to be informed but mark says that this is alot of propaganda bs and acussations,are you saying that after all the previous attacks I got, I can't believe him.I thought he was informing me..that this was alot of bs propaganda and acussations..from research I read from his posts..we even bumped heads and he was very very respectful with his responce..thats why I have so much respect for him

I really do think that everyone working together is best for the reefs ...thats how I feel so everything I said was true imo

all soely imo..don't worry I will stay quiet at your request

but I still like all reef protecting companys and am not taking sides...no matter what their track record is, they can change imo

btw I dont think it would be hard to make a RE-CAP website,a site just about protecting reefs that all reef protecting partys are involved in, if everyone that protects reefs would work together for reef conservation awareness training...ie state just facts and not bias opinions, thats what my RE-Cap idea was, then I was curious what it takes to start a actual protecting organization ..all soely imo

once agin I still look up to all the reef protecting organizations and am not aginst any of them...

 

[bookfish]

"you say I need to be informed but mark says that this is alot of propaganda bs and acussations,are you saying that after all the previous attacks I got I can't believe him...you said I need to be informed.I thought he was informing me..

It's good to listen to others' opinions and perspectives.
Your opinions and conclusions should be based on your own information gathering, experiences AND dialog with others.
Not solely on the latter. HTH.-Jim
ps. I am neither pro nor anti MAC.

 

[coralfarmin]

ok thats convenant,how bout the slug/plant attack, I thought saying ebay thought they were plants was way off base and more than untrue, then someone insisted i thought they were plants also, or the no store front attack..lets be fair here
I was a inocent victim
I dont need your protection just trying to be honest here..and stick to the point
ps.I find it alot easier to believe him after all the above
all soely imo

 

[Anonymous]

Mod needs to be unbiased, again you fail to see the history here. John Brandt, a MAC employee (or what ever his role is there), was a mod here for a spell. Where did the biase lay there?

Jim is for from being biased on the subject, one could tell as much with a conversation with him.

FWIW, where does thruth begin and opinions stop? How can one tell, if one chooses not to read up on history. If you can't gleen the importance of history, what makes you so sure you can help the future? Some mistakes were MAJOR and will have a very long lasting effect With out reading the history, you'll never know.

We are all informing you, with both opinions and facts. You'll have to come to your own conclusions using all the above, history, facts and opinions. How do you come to the conclusion that Mark isn't telling you his opinion and not the entire thruth? What makes you so sure that an employee of a multi million dollar grant driven polital NGO isn't blowing propaganda BS smoke in your face? Where do the mirrors and smoke lead, who is the guy behind the curtain?

FWIW, yes MAC can change, but it would take moving a mountain and draining a sea. They could be good, as could the Borg. Total assimilation is good for whom? MAMTI and MAC for one.

 

[Anonymous]

ps.I find it alot easier to believe him after all the above
all soely imo

Well there you go then.

what is soely any ways?

 

[coralfarmin]

sorry,another of my mis-spellings

solely imo :lol:

 

[coralfarmin]

people make mistakes and can change you agree..I am looking toward the future of the industry and not the past

the past can not be changed now
ps..not saying they cant be bias,just that it would not be productive
solely imo :lol:
ps..imo steve and mike and mike all takin over all the organizations and merging would be best,just for the record

 

[Anonymous]

Yah, but what sea will be drained and what mountain will be moved to instigate the change?

You can choose to listen the White House press official, Iraqi Informatiom Minister and the likes, doesn't mean there is one cent of truth there

The past can't be changed, but it can be repeated over and over.

ps. the continual editting of your posts sure messes up this forum. Think out your posts and only post what you are OK with sticking with. If you make a grave error, corrections are fine, but changing a post 5+ times is simply lame.

 

[coralfarmin]

you are a very wise women imo gresh

actualy I think you, steve,mike,mike and mark would be the best as leaders in future industry reform
ps..if they have all that money ,they still have alot to contribute in the future imo

no matter what mistakes they made
solely imo

 

[Anonymous]

people make mistakes and can change you agree..I am looking toward the future of the industry and not the past

the past can not be changed now
ps..not saying they cant be bias,just that it would not be productive
solely imo :lol:
ps..imo steve and mike and mike all takin over all the organizations and merging would be best,just for the record

You say, after editting your post :roll: that Mike King, Mike Kirda and Steve Robinson should be the ones to run a complete take over of this? What makes you sure they're the ones?

 

[coralfarmin]

sorry about all the editing,alot are spelling mistakes..I have been attacked plenty for that also

 

[Anonymous]

you are a very wise women imo gresh

actualy I think you, steve,mike,mike and mark would be the best as leaders in future industry reform
ps..if they have all that money ,they still have alot to contribute in the future imo

no matter what mistakes they made
solely imo

Yah, and your a nice girl too :roll:

Gresham is a mans name, Gretchen is the female version!

I want nothing to do with heading anything up. I don't feel qualified to do such a thing. I may be knowledgable, but I don't have the field experience to do such a activity. I'd only be comfertable collecting money, not pulling a salary, and sending the poeple who can train, to train. IMO cutting out the pork is the only way this will happen. The pork killed it in the past, and it'll do the same in the future.

 

[coralfarmin]

I added you and mark also...not sure, just my opinion from what I have read here