Analysis of Destructive Fishing Practice in the Indo-Pacific
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Seems like fifteen thousand per day for ten years would show sustainability ?
Seems that if this one out fit accounts for 80% of CITES It IS THE BIGGEST and the only one of its kind!
Seems they want us to believe that the remaining 20% is bigger?
If this 3 percent harvest number is still sustainable after 10 years , then all the remaining collection areas {20%} would be less then one percent. Even mother nature removes on average ten percent of the live coral through storms and such . Whats the basis for any increased regulation?.
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They are the consulting group hired to pave the way for private Packard investors entry into and hoped for take-over of the marine trade.
The "study" is the pre-runner to the MAMTI proposal outed here last year.
CCIF has been "delayed" in every single mission they set for themselves on the basis of lack of talent beyond the ability to google and selectively cull notions from gossip and interviews with people brown-nosing them in hopes of getting a piece of an imagined pie.
They have shadowed the MAC 'track'...and shared from the same cash trough. They provide the illusion of plurality this way and claim to represent the field side more despite the fact that they have a field staff even less qualified then MACs.
They think hard on taxing the trade to pay for themselves and MAC & imagine sanctions with airlines and fisheries depts. to enforce compliance with theirs and MAC initiatives.
They came from outside money and will leave the day ot is not available.
I guess we should be proud that our gross per year as a trade has attracted so many camp followers.
Seriously...
Steve
The "study" is the pre-runner to the MAMTI proposal outed here last year.
CCIF has been "delayed" in every single mission they set for themselves on the basis of lack of talent beyond the ability to google and selectively cull notions from gossip and interviews with people brown-nosing them in hopes of getting a piece of an imagined pie.
They have shadowed the MAC 'track'...and shared from the same cash trough. They provide the illusion of plurality this way and claim to represent the field side more despite the fact that they have a field staff even less qualified then MACs.
They think hard on taxing the trade to pay for themselves and MAC & imagine sanctions with airlines and fisheries depts. to enforce compliance with theirs and MAC initiatives.
They came from outside money and will leave the day ot is not available.
I guess we should be proud that our gross per year as a trade has attracted so many camp followers.
Seriously...
Steve
clarionreef
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...and yes, I've submitted an abstract for the Marine Ornamentals conference and will serve on still another panel about industry reform.
Steve
Steve
I found this part to be interesting. This report seems to believe aquarium fishing does more cyanide damage to the reefs than food fishing. 8O
Live food fishing, primarily grouper for the seafood markets of Hong Kong, is mainly
an overfishing issue. An estimated 54,000 tons, or 630 kg per km2 per year, of live fish
are caught from Indonesia’s coral reefs (assuming 50% death rate).3 Fishers tend to
target the annual spawning aggregations of groupers, a practice that can wipe out an
entire regional population at one time. A typical grouper cyanide fishing operation that
was studied as part of the research for this plan covers about 50% of the available reef
area every year and takes about 75,000 grouper per year in a 11 km2 harvest area. On
many reefs in Indonesia, groupers have become exceedingly rare. However, impact on
corals is less than that of aquarium and dynamite fishing, since the amount of cyanide
used is relatively low: the reef-degrading capacity of the cyanide fishery for food fish
on Indonesia’s coral reefs amounts to a loss of live coral cover of about 0.052 m2 per
100 m2 of reef per year. 4
Live food fishing, primarily grouper for the seafood markets of Hong Kong, is mainly
an overfishing issue. An estimated 54,000 tons, or 630 kg per km2 per year, of live fish
are caught from Indonesia’s coral reefs (assuming 50% death rate).3 Fishers tend to
target the annual spawning aggregations of groupers, a practice that can wipe out an
entire regional population at one time. A typical grouper cyanide fishing operation that
was studied as part of the research for this plan covers about 50% of the available reef
area every year and takes about 75,000 grouper per year in a 11 km2 harvest area. On
many reefs in Indonesia, groupers have become exceedingly rare. However, impact on
corals is less than that of aquarium and dynamite fishing, since the amount of cyanide
used is relatively low: the reef-degrading capacity of the cyanide fishery for food fish
on Indonesia’s coral reefs amounts to a loss of live coral cover of about 0.052 m2 per
100 m2 of reef per year. 4
They think the live food fish trade collects all their fish one week each year during the spawning period. 8O
Does that mean people in HK restaurants only eat live grouper one week a year? Or I guess in Hong Kong they load up the Resturant live food fish fish tanks once a year and that lasts the entire twelve months.
Does that mean people in HK restaurants only eat live grouper one week a year? Or I guess in Hong Kong they load up the Resturant live food fish fish tanks once a year and that lasts the entire twelve months.
cortez marine":19eremgv said:
Good man Steve, no BS votes on MAC priorities this year.
Hopefully we get some good debate, like at 04, when that idoit tried to claim that the lion fish off the coast of FL-NY were not from the aquarium trade.
Maybe you can bring some Lysmatella and Tiger Shrimp with you
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"However, impact on
corals is less than that of aquarium and dynamite fishing, since the amount of cyanide
used is relatively low:" ????????? This is what we call an indicator lie.
A total fabrication made up to keep the funding focus on aquarium fishing.
CYANIDE FOOD FISHING INVOLVES CARRYING 25 GALLON DRUMS OF POISON ON BOARD.....DRUMS....not low amounts.
Falsifying the case to sharpen whereas clauses for funding purposes is a defamation of the trade to raise money.
FALSIFYING THE FACTS TO SUPPORT THE ILLUSION OF STUDY....CHEAPENS SCIENCE AND PROVES TO US THAT THERE ARE CORRUPT SCIENTISTS WHO DO IT FOR MONEY.
I know the CCIF people and THEY ARE PURELY PACKARD MECENARIES of little talent save that of grant writing. Lying to obtain a loan or an insurance claim is a felony. How is premeditated lying to gain millions in grants not also a crime?
Steve
corals is less than that of aquarium and dynamite fishing, since the amount of cyanide
used is relatively low:" ????????? This is what we call an indicator lie.
A total fabrication made up to keep the funding focus on aquarium fishing.
CYANIDE FOOD FISHING INVOLVES CARRYING 25 GALLON DRUMS OF POISON ON BOARD.....DRUMS....not low amounts.
Falsifying the case to sharpen whereas clauses for funding purposes is a defamation of the trade to raise money.
FALSIFYING THE FACTS TO SUPPORT THE ILLUSION OF STUDY....CHEAPENS SCIENCE AND PROVES TO US THAT THERE ARE CORRUPT SCIENTISTS WHO DO IT FOR MONEY.
I know the CCIF people and THEY ARE PURELY PACKARD MECENARIES of little talent save that of grant writing. Lying to obtain a loan or an insurance claim is a felony. How is premeditated lying to gain millions in grants not also a crime?
Steve
I just returned from the Philippines and will be reporting on my trip at the Marine Ornamentals Conference in Las Vegas (through a panel that I helped to organize).
For now, I am posting more CCIF stuff to keep the REEFORMISTS focused on things that affect the MAF trade rather than debating the IRAQ issues.
Isn't that what this forum is supposed to be about?
Peter Rubec
For now, I am posting more CCIF stuff to keep the REEFORMISTS focused on things that affect the MAF trade rather than debating the IRAQ issues.
Isn't that what this forum is supposed to be about?
Peter Rubec
This was from the link Steven provided:
"Aquarium fishing is done with varying amounts of cyanide. Some fishers use cyanide
for virtually all species, while others restrict themselves to those species at greater
depth, such as the emperor cardinal."
I never realized the emperor cardinal was a prime cyanide target. :roll: I guess the above explains the cyanide Peter found in the clownfish they tested.
"Aquarium fishing is done with varying amounts of cyanide. Some fishers use cyanide
for virtually all species, while others restrict themselves to those species at greater
depth, such as the emperor cardinal."
I never realized the emperor cardinal was a prime cyanide target. :roll: I guess the above explains the cyanide Peter found in the clownfish they tested.
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"such as the emperor cardinal."
Amatuers, frauds and wannabies....
I told all ...but it seemed radical didn't it?
Afterall we should strive to be polite to any and all comers who are alledgedly on the same page with us environmentally....
Well, the indicator fibs and falsifications do slip out to prove the mindset periodically of the new grant money mercenaries who know nothing about fish that we didn't tell them..
Emperor cardinal indeed!
Steve
Not knowing an angel from a cardinal means nothing? These guys are qualified to prescribe for an industry of livestock? Who on earth would choose them to speak for us? [ besides the Packard Foundations eco-funding clique}
Amatuers, frauds and wannabies....
I told all ...but it seemed radical didn't it?
Afterall we should strive to be polite to any and all comers who are alledgedly on the same page with us environmentally....
Well, the indicator fibs and falsifications do slip out to prove the mindset periodically of the new grant money mercenaries who know nothing about fish that we didn't tell them..
Emperor cardinal indeed!
Steve
Not knowing an angel from a cardinal means nothing? These guys are qualified to prescribe for an industry of livestock? Who on earth would choose them to speak for us? [ besides the Packard Foundations eco-funding clique}
Peter,
Read the damn quote I provided. It says some of the fishers use cyanide on virtually all species. What don't you understand about it?
Here is another set of numbers I question: "In the Banggai area, one operation alone is
taking 20,000 banggai cardinals per day, over 70% of which die on their way to the Bali
exporter due to inadequate handling practices."
At the rate of 20k per day that would equal about 730,000,000 per year if they collected every day. All from one little island. Seems a bit high to me, but I have no way of knowing.
Mitch
Read the damn quote I provided. It says some of the fishers use cyanide on virtually all species. What don't you understand about it?
Here is another set of numbers I question: "In the Banggai area, one operation alone is
taking 20,000 banggai cardinals per day, over 70% of which die on their way to the Bali
exporter due to inadequate handling practices."
At the rate of 20k per day that would equal about 730,000,000 per year if they collected every day. All from one little island. Seems a bit high to me, but I have no way of knowing.
Mitch
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MITCH,
WE HAVE PEOPLE THERE.
THE FIGURE IS HIGH ANND A LIE...PERIOD.
There are problems w/ Bangaiis to be sure but these guys are incompetent and unqualified to handle the question.
Still, the super exaggerations seem premeditated and calculated to create as big an alarm as possible as to neccessitate their inclusion into the reform business.
Steve
WE HAVE PEOPLE THERE.
THE FIGURE IS HIGH ANND A LIE...PERIOD.
There are problems w/ Bangaiis to be sure but these guys are incompetent and unqualified to handle the question.
Still, the super exaggerations seem premeditated and calculated to create as big an alarm as possible as to neccessitate their inclusion into the reform business.
Steve
I have a few thousand Banggi in my nano reef .....doesnt every body? There so popular , that even with 730 million coming in per year dealers are still demanding more!dizzy":2n2tblsd said:
Wait I though I read somewhere that the total Banggi population world wide was only a few million! Maybe these collectors are boating real far from home ........Like to another solar system.....
How many Banggi did Peter test in his study?
I bet Frank tested thousands....... ( all from a single teenage Philipino diver, aptly named "Squirt"!........brought over to Indonesia specificaly for Franks Data) :wink:
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