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Hello,
Last night I was at a friend’s house and as he was reading these postings about ricordeas.net, I got kind of intrigued by them. This morning I put some time into it, what a soap opera!
Let me put my two cents into this pot:
First of all, I see a mediocre guy trying to burn someone else’s business that coincidentally happens to be in the same field as his. Please give me a break! Everywhere I went I saw postings of Duane vs. Kiki! But let’s start from the beginning. Everyone is so concerned throughout these four pages about the bag limits that I have to laugh! That is so naïve of you all, to think that a professional operational with professional collectors would work or propose a package of that caliber counting on Sports Authorities Fishing Permit for Recreational Bag Limits. What is all this non sense? These people are professionals of the industry; won’t you think they would know their business a little better than you all?
Hobbyists trying to underestimate! You guys talk talk talk and all end up buying from all of them. Decide on which side you are and stay there.
I heard this morning from a very reliable source that this guy Duane in reality follows orders from Kiki in exchange for Ricordeas and this whole thing is a marketing set up. He is Kiki’s pet, a true puppet! He even admits he knows her and their kids play together! C’mon guys! Kiki got another 2000 hits and probably a lot of sales since this guy started this whole polemic ordeal. What a marketing mastermind!

Duane, you guys are all the same! This is a little mafia and you are all accomplices!
Get real; you are just as bad as she is, mercenary!
And to think that you really want everyone to believe how much you care for the reefs!
Furthermore the name of the Lieutenant you provided us, either does not exist or is misspelled. Funny to conceive the man would misspell his own name!!
Step down from the soap box and show your true colors. Everything that you are saying and the way you make your comments clearly states your true intentions and I have no doubt about what you are doing.


This morning pretending that I was interested in the diving trip (which I really am), I spoke to Kiki and I was able to understand this whole thing! These people own licenses that are 15-20 years old that according to her only a hand full of divers in Florida still have them. They can take anybody to dive under their vessel and their commercial license. When I asked excited whether I could really take all I could carry , she told me not to have high expectations when harvesting because it takes an experienced diver 6 months of training to start collecting enough marine life to make a pay check at the end of the day and that the idea is to take the hobbyist to take stuff for his own tank and even if I could catch more I should not take more than my tank is able to hold! So I asked about the Ricordeas and she said the Ricordeas themselves are extremely complicated to be removed and that a diver with 15 years of experience spends 5 – 6 hours during an underwater working day to come up with maximum 150 polyps.
That should make all of us revaluate how many polyps, shrimps, little crabs, etc.. that someone without any harvesting experience could find and collect successfully! Please!
If you really think about it, the idea itself is great! Because there would be much less harvesting by the amateurs than there would from the professional sharks! Furthermore she is giving the chance to regular hobbyists like me to see what I love in their natural habitat without having to turn my TV on! Very honest, innovating and pleasant proposal! Kind Regards,
Dr. Eugene Lipstein
 
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Oh forget must see tv! I'm just gonna keep refreshing this thread!
 

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DrCoral,

I don't have any idea who or why Daune would attack them but that is their business. I was more interested in the legality of this. I don't see any reason that this wouldn't be good if they limited quantities in some way. The whole catch as much as you can carry thing is a little much.

They may have had these licenses for 15 - 20 years but they have just changed the rules in 2004. Before that there were about 900 ML licenses in the state. They changed that to a little over 100 that were transferable diver permits and some were changed to buycatch permits for the crab and lobster guys and all the others, about 700 were for nontransferable divers that were not using it as a profession. Those seven hundred will ultimately be gone as they are not renewed etc. This year they added a new crew commercial license which states that you can get on any commercial boat with just about anybody and take commercial quantities.

She under estimates what can be collected in a day. I have seen 2 divers dive for 2 days and collect over 4,000 ricordea polyps plus 1,000's more seamat, hermits, astrea etc. Why would they put catch as much as you can carry if they were not going to let you?
 
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Perhaps the take as much as you can carry was just a hook to get you in. Seeing as how you have no idea if they're really bringing you to a prime spot and I really can't see that they would allow you to rape their premo grounds and have you cut their throat, I suspect it's a carry all you can find.

You'll go to some spot where they are sporadic and leave with a few dozen perhaps. Running out of polyps to collect rather than running out of time to collect polyps. Meanwhile you'll be thinking to yourself that the crew really did the best they could to help you find the mother load of ricordea when in fact they let you get just enough to justify the cost and time invested.

That's what I would be thinking though. I know I certainly wouldn't lead anyone to my best spot to harvest a limited resource.
 

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DrCoral":1oais2ir said:
Hello,
Last night I was at a friend’s house and as he was reading these postings about ricordeas.net, I got kind of intrigued by them. This morning I put some time into it, what a soap opera!
Let me put my two cents into this pot:
First of all, I see a mediocre guy trying to burn someone else’s business that coincidentally happens to be in the same field as his. Please give me a break! Everywhere I went I saw postings of Duane vs. Kiki! But let’s start from the beginning. Everyone is so concerned throughout these four pages about the bag limits that I have to laugh! That is so naïve of you all, to think that a professional operational with professional collectors would work or propose a package of that caliber counting on Sports Authorities Fishing Permit for Recreational Bag Limits. What is all this non sense? These people are professionals of the industry; won’t you think they would know their business a little better than you all?
Hobbyists trying to underestimate! You guys talk talk talk and all end up buying from all of them. Decide on which side you are and stay there.
I heard this morning from a very reliable source that this guy Duane in reality follows orders from Kiki in exchange for Ricordeas and this whole thing is a marketing set up. He is Kiki’s pet, a true puppet! He even admits he knows her and their kids play together! C’mon guys! Kiki got another 2000 hits and probably a lot of sales since this guy started this whole polemic ordeal. What a marketing mastermind!

Duane, you guys are all the same! This is a little mafia and you are all accomplices!
Get real; you are just as bad as she is, mercenary!
And to think that you really want everyone to believe how much you care for the reefs!
Furthermore the name of the Lieutenant you provided us, either does not exist or is misspelled. Funny to conceive the man would misspell his own name!!
Step down from the soap box and show your true colors. Everything that you are saying and the way you make your comments clearly states your true intentions and I have no doubt about what you are doing.


This morning pretending that I was interested in the diving trip (which I really am), I spoke to Kiki and I was able to understand this whole thing! These people own licenses that are 15-20 years old that according to her only a hand full of divers in Florida still have them. They can take anybody to dive under their vessel and their commercial license. When I asked excited whether I could really take all I could carry , she told me not to have high expectations when harvesting because it takes an experienced diver 6 months of training to start collecting enough marine life to make a pay check at the end of the day and that the idea is to take the hobbyist to take stuff for his own tank and even if I could catch more I should not take more than my tank is able to hold! So I asked about the Ricordeas and she said the Ricordeas themselves are extremely complicated to be removed and that a diver with 15 years of experience spends 5 – 6 hours during an underwater working day to come up with maximum 150 polyps.
That should make all of us revaluate how many polyps, shrimps, little crabs, etc.. that someone without any harvesting experience could find and collect successfully! Please!
If you really think about it, the idea itself is great! Because there would be much less harvesting by the amateurs than there would from the professional sharks! Furthermore she is giving the chance to regular hobbyists like me to see what I love in their natural habitat without having to turn my TV on! Very honest, innovating and pleasant proposal! Kind Regards,
Dr. Eugene Lipstein


I love it when people put DR. or Ph.D on the name, kinda like this is to tell you that they know what they are talking about.

Alex, the guy who collects the polyps hasn't known where to collect them for 15 years, he hasn't been at it very long at all. The biggest news here is that FL is changing the rules for the collection of a lot of inverts, the biggest change is that in Aug maybe or something soon you will no longer be able to take substrate, no even 1" of substrate. So maybe that is a better reason for Alex to want to take people out diving for polyps.

I don't have a problem with collectors taking our hobbyists, infact I think its a great idea. It would be good for a hobbyist to see how hard these guys work and how much knowledge they have about the changes that have taken place in the Keys over the past 20 years. I don't think they would ever be showing people how they collected the polyps if the rules were not changing.
 

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I only had three concerns with this from the begining guys.
1:Over collecting
2:The effect it would have on other collectors in FLorida. ( as in banning them from collecting)
3:The message it would send to tourists and recreational divers who may have tanks at home.

I am not in the same business as they are Dr."who".
I could not even compete with them if I were. I live in Ohio.
When I need new stock or new brood stock I have to have it flown in like everyone else. Now how would that make me in the same business as a wholsaler who only has to go out thier back door to re-up thier stock?
I mean realy. Why would I just pick a business and say "heyI think i'll go after them!". Like I have that much money or clout even to be able to.

I sell to support my hobby, not to support my family Like most honest colletcers do in Florida. I am NOT ANTI-wholsalers. I am anti rape.
Which is what this thing amounts to when its all said and done.
I totaly agree that tours would be GREAT for the industry and the hobby.
Just not when the tourists are the ones collecting.
For the same reasons stated above.
The amount that a single diver can collect in one days time (let alone 4-6),
and, the fact that it is imoral.

Here is a well known fact for ya. Most collectors in Florida wont even bother prying them off the rock any more. It used to be less time cosuming to snatch a whole colony. They are only allowed to take certain amount from each colony.
The laws that are in place now were made with this in mind as well:
Time is money to wholsale collectors.

They counted on the fact that time is money with these guys.
They have orders to fill,that dont involve ricordea when they are on the reef. Like fish! That is the most lucrative sales item on the menu from Florida waters. Ricordea have become a marine aquarist species collectors choice and not a staple as they used to be. So if they are spending precious time prying up ricordea one by one of the reef, they are loosing money second by second as each fish they need to capture swims by them.

There are obviously those that focus on them as a big money maker as well. Those numbers are dwindling now because of these laws.
If Ricordeas.nets creates thier own loop hole and is allowed to do so
Unchecked what do you think will happen again?
Thats right. whole colonies destroyed, baren reefs, and a bann on collecting ricordea all together,along with new even stricter laws in place putting MANY law abidding wholsalers out of business who are probably already struggling to make ends meat now simply by abidding the laws.

All that is needed is enforcment of the laws in place now,and people standing up and being counted when they see someone breaking the law or doing somthing incredibly imoral like this.

I would have never posted on this matter again had it not been for dr."who" callling me out and bashing me.
So that is all I have to say on the matter from here on out.

PUT THE BREAKS ON AND ADD A BIG OLD EDIT...

OMG I dont know how I missed The kiki's pet thing but apreantly we now know who the new poster is. KIKI HER SELF DOING DAMAGE CONTROLL
 
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I think this thread could be best served by ending unsubtantiated accusations.
 
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Everyone take the petty bickering to pm or email, and reread the user agreement.

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