My first one gallon tank

[Chiefmcfuz]

:scratchch anyone else notice a pattern?

pc are you a registered nurse?

 

[Pinkheine]

Wow Lots of reading here. Honestly I don't think anyone is really attacking you, as it seems you feel. But comparing the travel of a fish making its way to it's new habitat is VERY different from a life in a puddle.

9 years ago when we started with Saltwater Fish only we went to the LFS. They told us to add damsels because "they could handle the cycle". What did we know? Not much. Yes, we killed those poor fish, and they suffered in the process.

Do I know better now, sure as hell do. Would I make the same mistake twice, not if I can avoid it. That is the main reason why I come here. Being new to the reef world and having numerous people that have "first hand" experiences on what works and what doesn't, is very important. (to me).

Yes some people do things a bit differently to get to the same result, a healthy tank and inhabitants. But size specifications, water parameters etc. are all basically the same and vary little to none. Because the fact is that living things need certain things to survive.

Example: Can my bearded dragons survive in a 40 breeder... sure they can. But we went ahead and built them a custom tank that is over 7 ft. long and 3ft. high. Why sacrafice on space if you don't have to? Why not offer that which is in your care all that you can?

I think that is really the point. If you are able to do more, then do it. And if you can't maybe refrain until you can. Just my opinion here. Hopefully you don't take the information that has been made available to you as an all on 'attack' text is very unforgiving and often misinterpreted.

I think all that have responded have the best interests of the animals (which depend on us for their survival) at heart.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

BTW a pinch of fish food will cycle your tank just the same as the damsel. Cycling tanks with fish is cruel, but you already know that since it has been said numerous times. Think of it like taking a puppy and throwing it into a drum of acid to "make sure it's still acid." Shipping fish is similar yes but not permenant but if that is your purpose of this thread take your tanks down and donate your fish to the local public aquarium and then go to LFS's and protest the sale and shipping of fish.


Your threads are designed to be combative and they seem to want to only start trouble and controversy, and intentionally at that. If I want this I'll go to work.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

PC,

Please provide some info for us.

What's the dimensions of your 1G and what's your current water parameter stands last couple of days. And, I think I can't seems to find you said about the wattage of your current light.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Threads merged since they are part of the same thread.

 

[pclittlereefcreations]

BTW a pinch of fish food will cycle your tank just the same as the damsel. Cycling tanks with fish is cruel, but you already know that since it has been said numerous times. Think of it like taking a puppy and throwing it into a drum of acid to "make sure it's still acid." Shipping fish is similar yes but not permenant but if that is your purpose of this thread take your tanks down and donate your fish to the local public aquarium and then go to LFS's and protest the sale and shipping of fish.


Your threads are designed to be combative and they seem to want to only start trouble and controversy, and intentionally at that. If I want this I'll go to work.

Well I don’t want to be known as somebody that likes to start trouble and controversy intentionally. I really enjoy being part of MR and hope to be part of this forum for a very long time. I am a person that loves to learn new and right ways of doing things and I feel I can learn from you guys. Being away from the hobby for about five years things have changed and that is why I am here to get up to date and learn from the Pros and everybody here. So just keep in mind that that little one is going in my BioCube real soon. Here are a few pictures of the BioCube and the one gallon so you know that I am not lying to you guys. I also tested the water at 9:15pm today and I also took pictures of the readings and here they are.
Ammonia-0
Nitrite-0
Nitrate-20
Alk-300
PH-8.4
Salinity-1.022
Water temp-75 or a little over
The tank size is 9L x 7H x 6W
About two little LR and one inch of LS.
Light 9W 50/50

 

[pclittlereefcreations]

BioCube

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

NOW even as patient as me, I am mad at you. I still want to know about the wattage of the light.:irked: J/K

For real, I want to know how come it looks relatively bright in your tank-is it due to the tank being small, or being shallow or just the light is bright by itself.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[Aqua Pro Builder]

What about the BIO cube 8?

Oh, never mind I think you wanna tell us that's the one you want the little guy to be in

 

[Killerdrgn]

If you want to keep coral in the tank you need to test calcium levels too.

 

[pclittlereefcreations]

NOW even as patient as me, I am mad at you. I still want to know about the wattage of the light.:irked: J/K

For real, I want to know how come it looks relatively bright in your tank-is it due to the tank being small, or being shallow or just the light is bright by itself.

Thanks for your reply.

This is the first time that I ever set up a little tank like this and the light seems to be to close to the tank. The light around that area is bright as it is. I plan to start the BioCube on Friday. I put one drop of calcium every other day.

 

[Killerdrgn]

Again you should test to see what your calcium levels are, you may find that 1 drop a day is too much.

 

[masterswimmer]

PC, the point that everyone here is trying to make and you keep dancing circles around it, is the fact that you're using a fish to "make your LR and LS stronger". Not really understanding that terminology I believe you mean that you're trying to increase the biological colonies needed to break down fish waste, uneaten food, etc.

The fact that you plan to move the fish to another, larger tank VERY SOON is not soon enough. It should never have been used for the purpose you're using it for.

You continually try to equate shipping stress with subjecting the fish to the ammonia cycle. That is comparing apples to oranges. During tropical storms, hurricanes, typhoons, etc. the seas are extremely violent. That is not the same as pesticides being washed into the sea and killing fish.

The ammonia cycle burns the gills of fish. Yes, shipping causes stress but in a totally different way (unless the shipper improperly bags their fish).

This thread and conversation has gone in such circles you're going to cause members to throw up their hands and give up on offering you advice.

And I wholeheartedly agree with Lissa........Kathy deserves a much better, sincere apology for your attack on her. Nobody here has attacked you. On the contrary, whether you believe it or not, they/we have been trying to impart some wisdom upon you, and you've been the one to show aggression.

Time to wash my hands of this one.

Happy reefing,
swimmer

 

[pclittlereefcreations]

PC, the point that everyone here is trying to make and you keep dancing circles around it, is the fact that you're using a fish to "make your LR and LS stronger". Not really understanding that terminology I believe you mean that you're trying to increase the biological colonies needed to break down fish waste, uneaten food, etc.

The fact that you plan to move the fish to another, larger tank VERY SOON is not soon enough. It should never have been used for the purpose you're using it for.

You continually try to equate shipping stress with subjecting the fish to the ammonia cycle. That is comparing apples to oranges. During tropical storms, hurricanes, typhoons, etc. the seas are extremely violent. That is not the same as pesticides being washed into the sea and killing fish.

The ammonia cycle burns the gills of fish. Yes, shipping causes stress but in a totally different way (unless the shipper improperly bags their fish).

This thread and conversation has gone in such circles you're going to cause members to throw up their hands and give up on offering you advice.

And I wholeheartedly agree with Lissa........Kathy deserves a much better, sincere apology for your attack on her. Nobody here has attacked you. On the contrary, whether you believe it or not, they/we have been trying to impart some wisdom upon you, and you've been the one to show aggression.

Time to wash my hands of this one.

Happy reefing,
swimmer

If I need to apologize, no problem should I apologize on the phone or write something up. Let me know, my mom tough me to always be nice to everybody and I have always been. So tell me how should I go about this? As far as the fish goes the pet shop don?t want any fish back because they there is a no return policy. So should I just put him in the BioCube and really mess him up or should I continue the setup first thing tomorrow and hope to put him in that tank by Friday or the next day. I been trying to meet all the demands that you guys want, but there is no winning. The only pet shop around here is petco and they don?t want him. At this point you guys are going to make me hurt him by bring him somewhere that he is not wanted, and God only knows what they would do with him maybe throw him in the garbage because they don?t want to waste there time dripping him for a few hour to put him back. If I didn?t care I would have stopped coming on this forum and just went about my business, but I?m here trying to fix this problem. Should someone come a pick him up and put him in there tank, find someone that can pick him up I?ll give him up if it?s to a better place. I am willing to do what?s right and that is not petco.


DS

 

[masterswimmer]

DS, You have a propensity for turning things people say into a battle for some reason. No I don't think you should apologize to Kathy on the phone or in writing. I think it would be much more sincere if you just had Scotty beam you up and do it in person. Jeeeez

As for what to do with the fish.....this post is the first time in the entire thread that you made some kind of gesture, albeit a tiny one, that it shouldn't have been there in the first place. Every other post has been trying to validate your inappropriate treatment of the fish. All this BS could have been avoided had you just stated that it was not the right way to cycle your tank and you tried but had no other place to put it. Case closed.

You also mention in your most recent post about 'demands' everyone is making on you. Once again, nobody is putting a gun to your head, nobody is holding you hostage, nobody is making demands. All we are trying to do is offer you advice. Obviously this particular 'go round' is history. But the way you've been trying to defend your actions makes everyone believe that you would have no problem repeating the same routine in the future. If all of this nonsense has enlightened you, then it was well worth all the drama. If not, then once again, I will throw up my hands and say good riddance.

I hope this was part of a learning curve and everything will go smoothly hence forth. We really are here to help, not go toe to toe.

swimmer

 

[junglebase]

DS, You have a propensity for turning things people say into a battle for some reason. No I don't think you should apologize to Kathy on the phone or in writing. I think it would be much more sincere if you just had Scotty beam you up and do it in person. Jeeeez

As for what to do with the fish.....this post is the first time in the entire thread that you made some kind of gesture, albeit a tiny one, that it shouldn't have been there in the first place. Every other post has been trying to validate your inappropriate treatment of the fish. All this BS could have been avoided had you just stated that it was not the right way to cycle your tank and you tried but had no other place to put it. Case closed.

You also mention in your most recent post about 'demands' everyone is making on you. Once again, nobody is putting a gun to your head, nobody is holding you hostage, nobody is making demands. All we are trying to do is offer you advice. Obviously this particular 'go round' is history. But the way you've been trying to defend your actions makes everyone believe that you would have no problem repeating the same routine in the future. If all of this nonsense has enlightened you, then it was well worth all the drama. If not, then once again, I will throw up my hands and say good riddance.

I hope this was part of a learning curve and everything will go smoothly hence forth. We really are here to help, not go toe to toe.

swimmer

That was beautiful!!!!

 

[pclittlereefcreations]

DS, You have a propensity for turning things people say into a battle for some reason. No I don't think you should apologize to Kathy on the phone or in writing. I think it would be much more sincere if you just had Scotty beam you up and do it in person. Jeeeez



swimmer

The whole time I been nice to ask how should I say sorry and you come out with a silly remark. Now who is being a smart A. Jeeez Cheese

And as far as the tank being cycled, it was. What makes you think that the tank was not cycled just becuase I said that I wanted to make the LR, LS and water stronger. Even when a big tank is cycled and you put in a fish for the first time the tank makes changes that make all the live stuff stronger and that was the point that you guys make me feel like you don't know, that is why when buy fish we chould only put in so many at one time so everything in that tank gets back to normal.

Am I right or wrong. The little tank was cycled...


DS:tub:

 

[JHOV2324]

i think this 1 gal tank is a great idea :biggrin:

 

[Killerdrgn]

What makes you think that the tank was not cycled just becuase I said that I wanted to make the LR, LS and water stronger. Even when a big tank is cycled and you put in a fish for the first time the tank makes changes that make all the live stuff stronger and that was the point that you guys make me feel like you don't know, that is why when buy fish we could only put in so many at one time so everything in that tank gets back to normal.

Am I right or wrong. The little tank was cycled...
DS:tub:

Ok here is the point yet again. You did not need to put in a fish to make the cycle "stronger". In my tank I was able to make the cycle "stronger" by throwing in cocktail shrimp and handfuls of food. When I finally added in fish there was NO change to water conditions, no raise in ammonia, nitrite, or nitrate.

Here's another piece of advice, you need to stop going to Petco. I'm also sure PA has a reefing club site that you can refer to for some close and GOOD LFS's. Especially ones that will take back livestock they sold you.

 

[ssmtcarlo]

WTF chief that the best analogy EVER

Cycling tanks with fish is cruel, but you already know that since it has been said numerous times. Think of it like taking a puppy and throwing it into a drum of acid to "make sure it's still acid."

:funnypostLMAO