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Wannabreefer

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Hello, ive been really fascinated with marine tank especially reef tanks and what to start one of my own. A new marine just opened up and has alot of great stuff to pick from so this is why im here.

Currently i only have a 38 gallon tank (not drilled)

So what other items do i need thanks so much!!!
 

gimincorp

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You definitely need:
- a skimmer and a surface skimmer or combination of the two.
- Powerhead to keep the water moving.
- Depending on average room temperature: heater or chiller.
- some sort of light (PC or MH)
Maybe Hang On Back refugium to keep macro-aglae & pods (HOB to avoid drilling) or another smaller tank under with an overflow box to use as a filter/fuge.
Testing tools: Hydrometer and test kits.
Cleaning tools: tube for water exchange and a glass scraper.
 

morphiii

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Hello, ive been really fascinated with marine tank especially reef tanks and what to start one of my own. A new marine just opened up and has alot of great stuff to pick from so this is why im here.

Currently i only have a 38 gallon tank (not drilled)

So what other items do i need thanks so much!!!


Before you start, the most important to realize, you need to have at least $30 to $40 per gallon fund for the tank and equipment.

So on a 40 gallon, that is $1600, before coral and fish, which could be double that amount.

On 40 gallon, it could easily run you $4000 stocked properly.

Unless you are willing and able. Don't even start.
 

masterswimmer

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I HIGHLY recommend a pre-drilled reef ready tank. Your incidence of flooding will be drastically reduced going with a reef ready tank. You won't even know to thank me for this suggestion because you won't have experienced the overflow box flooding that I'm talking about.

A protein skimmer is way up on the list of important pieces of equipment. I would recommend the AquaC Remora for a small tank like a 38.

20g sump is fine. Just make sure you don't use the entire volume with operating water. You need to leave enough 'vacant' volume to accommodate water flowing out of the display above during a power outage. A sump is a tank beneath your display. It is a great place to keep the unsightly equipment that would normally be kept in your display, ie: heater, skimmer, float switch for automatic topoff, carbon, phosban, etc.

Heater - use two for redundancy. This is the #1 piece of equipment to fail in our hobby. Use two 75w heaters. Technically all you need is one single 150w heater, but the above statement WILL effect you at some time in the future. If the heater fails in the 'on' position, it will cook your tank. If it fails in the 'off' position, it will get drastically cold. Two smaller heaters (even two 50w heaters is fine), will not be sufficient to cook or freeze your tank individually. Together they are more than adequate to run your system. Also consider a Ranco temperature controller in the future.

Powerhead - You can spend a lot or a little. You can get some that are capable of creating wave patterns or some that just move water. I would recommend at least two in your tank. The Koralia 2 or Koralia 3 would be cool and very affordable.

Salt - the biggest debate in reefing on the planet. Instant Ocean is widely accepted. Pick one that you can find locally. Buy the bucket for whichever you decide on. It will contain enough to mix from 150g to 200g of saltwater. You'll need it for regular water changes.

Refractometer- Don't cheap out here by buying a hydrometer. This is one of the most important measurements you'll need to monitor. A refractometer is infinitely more reliable. No matter what size tank you start with, please don't start with a hydrometer. As a matter of fact, the smaller the tank the more important it is to use a refractometer.

Test kits - Salifert makes the best affordable and efficient test kits for the hobby. You'll need ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, pH, calcium, alkalinity/hardness, magnesium. Any more than this is not really necessary but available if you want them.

RO/DI water filter - Your tap water contains loads of TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) that are prime for causing algae outbreaks. If you get a TDS meter you'll be able to test your tap water. Mine comes out of the tap at 105 ppm. We want zero. 'Nuff said.

Lighting - I could write an entire book on reef lighting. Depends upon what animals you want to keep. Metal halide, T5, Powercompact (PC), LED, combination of MH & T5 or MH & PC is a great combination.

Thermometer - The Pinpoint Wireless thermometer is very reliable.

Return pump - Depending upon the amount of vertical height you're pumping your return water will determine the size pump you need. Remember, as water is pushed up vertically, as well as the friction of the pipe it is flowing through as well as the # of fittings (elbows, unions, ball valves, etc) will reduce the flow you get through the discharge in the tank. A 1" pvc pipe overflow can handle NO MORE THAN 600 gph. Therefore, you might need a 1000 gph pump to compensate for vertical height plus backpressure from the fittings used.
Marineland Utility Pumps are fantastic.

I can list more things you can use, fluidized media chamber for carbon or phosban, controllers for lights & heaters, monitors for ORP, pH, nitrates, phosphates, calcium reactor, nilsen reactor, and lots more.

Do yourself a favor and do not under any circumstance use a wet/dry filter with bioballs.

I didn't list any books, but this is a must for you.

Hope this helped,
swimmer

BTW - Welcome to MR :)
 
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michael stern

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Before you start, the most important to realize, you need to have at least $30 to $40 per gallon fund for the tank and equipment.

So on a 40 gallon, that is $1600, before coral and fish, which could be double that amount.

On 40 gallon, it could easily run you $4000 stocked properly.

Unless you are willing and able. Don't even start.

No offense, but I seriously disagree with your numbers.

Sure, if you want a smoking reef tank, top of the line equipment, hi end coral and fish, your numbers make sense.

$10-$15 per gallon is a better guage of entry level systems.
It is NOT, IMO, a hobby just for those with limitless disposable income.
 

morphiii

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No offense, but I seriously disagree with your numbers.

Sure, if you want a smoking reef tank, top of the line equipment, hi end coral and fish, your numbers make sense.

$10-$15 per gallon is a better guage of entry level systems.
It is NOT, IMO, a hobby just for those with limitless disposable income.


$10 to $15?

RO/DI
75g reef ready tank
30g sump
500w HQI/T5
150g skimmer
Mag7 return pump
Salt
Testing Equipment
Various pumps
Wavemakers
pH monitor
Refractometer
Additives
heater
chiller
etc
etc

If you can get all these for $1000 brand new, I have a bridge to sell you.
 
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michael stern

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A) you don't need to get everything new (used skimmer, sump, etc) or a whole used setup.
B) you don't "need" such intense lighting, etc, etc.

I'm not sure why you're pushing an attitude that discourages potential newbies.

My first saltwater tank was a FW 55 that I bought a HOB filter and ran it just fine for 2 years.

My second tank, 125 gal, I got the whole shebang, livestock included, for $900.

My current tank, 420 FOLR, cost under $6000 including additional rock, and a bunch of fish (before I was in the business).

Sure, you can blow as much money as you want (Red Dragon pumps, Bubbleking skimmers, high end livestock), etc. You can spend $8-$10 a lb for liverock, or shop around and get it $2-$3.

No reason to scare off people.
 

morphiii

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A) you don't need to get everything new (used skimmer, sump, etc) or a whole used setup.
B) you don't "need" such intense lighting, etc, etc.

I'm not sure why you're pushing an attitude that discourages potential newbies.

My first saltwater tank was a FW 55 that I bought a HOB filter and ran it just fine for 2 years.

My second tank, 125 gal, I got the whole shebang, livestock included, for $900.

My current tank, 420 FOLR, cost under $6000 including additional rock, and a bunch of fish (before I was in the business).

Sure, you can blow as much money as you want (Red Dragon pumps, Bubbleking skimmers, high end livestock), etc. You can spend $8-$10 a lb for liverock, or shop around and get it $2-$3.

No reason to scare off people.

I am not trying to scare newbies, just want them to be realistic. To keep a marine reef tank properly, you have to have the proper equipments and they are expensive. I don't understand why you are telling them otherwise.

And you are expecting newbies to know what used equipments to buy, and how to maintain them when they are not working perfectly?

I don't want to hijack the thread but if you want to start the discussion on another thread, I would be happy to contribute.
 
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Chiefmcfuz

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With all due respect have you thought about a nano tank? Nano's are great, all in one and come with most necessary equipment for the most part and with technology today they are pretty easy to take care of. I have a 14g Biocube that will be a fish only and also a 34g Solana and I love them both.
 

sjsoto

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wannabreefer i think what morphiii was trying to say is:

reef keeping is an expensive hobby. if you planning on spending $2.000 you will end up spending twice as much...
if you have the money to appropiatelly keep a tank then go for it... if not dont, ill explain...
you will get discourage if your tank crashes...
and all that money will be a waste...
 
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Chiefmcfuz

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I understand but sometimes people get focussed on a big tank and forget that the lil guy has alot to offer too. :lol2:
 

Wannabreefer

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I HIGHLY recommend a pre-drilled reef ready tank. Your incidence of flooding will be drastically reduced going with a reef ready tank. You won't even know to thank me for this suggestion because you won't have experienced the overflow box flooding that I'm talking about.

A protein skimmer is way up on the list of important pieces of equipment. I would recommend the AquaC Remora for a small tank like a 38.

20g sump is fine. Just make sure you don't use the entire volume with operating water. You need to leave enough 'vacant' volume to accommodate water flowing out of the display above during a power outage. A sump is a tank beneath your display. It is a great place to keep the unsightly equipment that would normally be kept in your display, ie: heater, skimmer, float switch for automatic topoff, carbon, phosban, etc.

Heater - use two for redundancy. This is the #1 piece of equipment to fail in our hobby. Use two 75w heaters. Technically all you need is one single 150w heater, but the above statement WILL effect you at some time in the future. If the heater fails in the 'on' position, it will cook your tank. If it fails in the 'off' position, it will get drastically cold. Two smaller heaters (even two 50w heaters is fine), will not be sufficient to cook or freeze your tank individually. Together they are more than adequate to run your system. Also consider a Ranco temperature controller in the future.

Powerhead - You can spend a lot or a little. You can get some that are capable of creating wave patterns or some that just move water. I would recommend at least two in your tank. The Koralia 2 or Koralia 3 would be cool and very affordable.

Salt - the biggest debate in reefing on the planet. Instant Ocean is widely accepted. Pick one that you can find locally. Buy the bucket for whichever you decide on. It will contain enough to mix from 150g to 200g of saltwater. You'll need it for regular water changes.

Refractometer- Don't cheap out here by buying a hydrometer. This is one of the most important measurements you'll need to monitor. A refractometer is infinitely more reliable. No matter what size tank you start with, please don't start with a hydrometer. As a matter of fact, the smaller the tank the more important it is to use a refractometer.

Test kits - Salifert makes the best affordable and efficient test kits for the hobby. You'll need ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, pH, calcium, alkalinity/hardness, magnesium. Any more than this is not really necessary but available if you want them.

RO/DI water filter - Your tap water contains loads of TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) that are prime for causing algae outbreaks. If you get a TDS meter you'll be able to test your tap water. Mine comes out of the tap at 105 ppm. We want zero. 'Nuff said.

Lighting - I could write an entire book on reef lighting. Depends upon what animals you want to keep. Metal halide, T5, Powercompact (PC), LED, combination of MH & T5 or MH & PC is a great combination.

Thermometer - The Pinpoint Wireless thermometer is very reliable.

Return pump - Depending upon the amount of vertical height you're pumping your return water will determine the size pump you need. Remember, as water is pushed up vertically, as well as the friction of the pipe it is flowing through as well as the # of fittings (elbows, unions, ball valves, etc) will reduce the flow you get through the discharge in the tank. A 1" pvc pipe overflow can handle NO MORE THAN 600 gph. Therefore, you might need a 1000 gph pump to compensate for vertical height plus backpressure from the fittings used.
Marineland Utility Pumps are fantastic.

I can list more things you can use, fluidized media chamber for carbon or phosban, controllers for lights & heaters, monitors for ORP, pH, nitrates, phosphates, calcium reactor, nilsen reactor, and lots more.

Do yourself a favor and do not under any circumstance use a wet/dry filter with bioballs.

I didn't list any books, but this is a must for you.

Hope this helped,
swimmer

BTW - Welcome to MR :)


Thanks so much!!!!!!!
 

morphiii

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wannabreefer i think what morphiii was trying to say is:

reef keeping is an expensive hobby. if you planning on spending $2.000 you will end up spending twice as much...
if you have the money to appropiatelly keep a tank then go for it... if not dont, ill explain...
you will get discourage if your tank crashes...
and all that money will be a waste...

How true.

But all this will probably fall on deaf ears. They are too gung ho to start "reefing". All these newbies see are the beautiful tanks with all the colorful corals. They don't know all the hard work and commitment it takes to get to that level.
 

tomtoothdoc

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How true.

But all this will probably fall on deaf ears. They are too gung ho to start "reefing". All these newbies see are the beautiful tanks with all the colorful corals. They don't know all the hard work and commitment it takes to get to that level.

i wouldn't criticize a beginner that harshly. think back of when we all started....retrospectively, we now see that we were just as gung ho and rushed things along just as well. this is also part of a reefer learning experience....we all started with some piece of equipments that we now wouldn't even take it if it were given for free. we bought animals that we shouldn't have bought....unknowingly and knowingly. (darn it.... after 5 years of reefing you would think i should know better not to buy animals that are almost impossible to keep in a tank but i still hope that i would be able to keep a feather star alive for more than a year.)

anyway...do a lot of research about what you want to keep before buying anything. you need to understand the basic concept of what is involved in keeping these animals. i would suggest reading books like these.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1890087025/?tag=reefs04-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1890087521/?tag=reefs04-20
 

morphiii

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Flushing
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i wouldn't criticize a beginner that harshly. think back of when we all started....retrospectively, we now see that we were just as gung ho and rushed things along just as well. this is also part of a reefer learning experience....we all started with some piece of equipments that we now wouldn't even take it if it were given for free. we bought animals that we shouldn't have bought....unknowingly and knowingly. (darn it.... after 5 years of reefing you would think i should know better not to buy animals that are almost impossible to keep in a tank but i still hope that i would be able to keep a feather star alive for more than a year.)

anyway...do a lot of research about what you want to keep before buying anything. you need to understand the basic concept of what is involved in keeping these animals. i would suggest reading books like these.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1890087025/?tag=reefs04-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1890087521/?tag=reefs04-20

That is my point. Do research and read as much as possible, before buying anything, make sure you realize what you are getting yourself into.

:)
 

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