large outbreak of ich with multiple members???

[ducati335i]

I don't really know anything about ich, but you crack me up! I just spit coffee all over the place, great analogy

Horrible analogy! Herpes is only there if it had been first introduced!!!!! Then the rest you state is true! Read the article guys!

 

[skene]

And btw ich can still enter on corals or whatever else you add to your tank..

So basically... what that ends up being is... ich will constantly end up in our tanks at all times...
because god only knows that we don't quarantine corals for an indefinite amount of time to kill all parasites.

Marine Ich

I like this part...


14. INTERESTING FIND: If no new MI is introduce into an infected aquarium, the MI already there continues to cycle through multiple generations until about 10 to 11 months when the MI has ?worn itself out? and becomes less infective. A tank can be free of an MI infestation if it is never exposed to new MI parasites for over 11 months.

so in all actuality the possibilities of those that continue to purchase/trade frags on a constant basis has the possibility of continuing on the cycle of ich.

hmmm... Yeah I can see ich always ending up being present in our tanks. Maybe not on an infestation level...

 

[thirty6]

Well again I'll state, i don't know enough bout ich, but just like herpes wouldn't have to be introduced on some level?

I more found it funny but not on a serious note or one for him to begin research

 

[marrone]

Once again... Ich is not always present... Do your research.... It's a parasite... Hypo your tangs before dt,,, u will never see ich... There is no debate on this... It must be introduced.... I love wn people say that if a fish gets scared it will get ich( um no! Only if it has it already! ) or if it's stressed! Really? Come on! Or that it's like a cold...
Take any of my tangs,,, put them in a 5 gallon tank, please scare them, don't feed them, stress them as much as you want... No ich will ever show.. Tang will die but not from ich!!! So if anyone wants to prove their thoughts of ich take me up for the challenge,,, and of course 1000$ bet so you learn ur lesson! So sick of the ichy discussion!
Btw every tang I have ever bought had ich.. Just hypo the damn things.. I've done it to achillies as well... It's fine!

+1 Ich is a parasite and unless it's present your fish aren't going to get it, regardless how the conditions change or how stress out your fish get. By the way, our fish are always stressed out, from being in tanks that are too small, to having to fight with tank mates over territory, to dealing with people coming and going by the tank, to lights all of a sudden going on and off, stress is always present in our tanks.

You'll find all of a sudden a lot of the LFS in the area will all have an outbreak of ich or marine velvet all around the same time. What usually happens is they'll get in a batch of fish with some sort of parasite or disease, which will enter their systems and infect their fish. Since most place get their fish from similar sources, and in some cases the same sources, it's very common for this to happen every so often. Some place can deal with it, as they QT all their fish before placing them into their tanks, or they treat their tanks so they can control the infection.

Here is more good information on Ich and other things.
http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/pests/

 

[thirty5]

+1 you either have Ich in your tank, or you don't. It must be introduced to be present as it is a parasite.

To the OP - As you posed the question and included Ich, and many others lately have been dealing with Ich, I will address that topic..
You could have gotten it from either a fish addition or from a coral from a tank/facility that had Ich.(including past purchases from up to 1 month ago).

In regard to the question:


Please do NOT post on this thread where you have been shopping recently if you are one of the folks who has recently lost fish to an outbreak of Ich!

-->While everyone would want to know if a/any vendor/seller may have this parasite in their system - it would be pure speculation and NOT FACT to list any seller - whether it be a public or private seller, and possibly do harm to their reputation.

If anyone posts that information here, it will be deleted.
If you have had this issue and feel you want to inform us of where you have shopped, you can PM the info to me or another Mod. If we see a definitive pattern, we will take appropriate action.

Thank you.

Kathy that is why I didn't post about a store. But why can we not all post where we purchased from. How do you plan on trying to figure out a patter without knowing?

I believe I already figure out what vendor it was. And I did that last night. I have yet to post about it. And I prob wont

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[marrone]

So basically... what that ends up being is... ich will constantly end up in our tanks at all times...
because god only knows that we don't quarantine corals for an indefinite amount of time to kill all parasites.

Marine Ich

I like this part...


14. INTERESTING FIND: If no new MI is introduce into an infected aquarium, the MI already there continues to cycle through multiple generations until about 10 to 11 months when the MI has ?worn itself out? and becomes less infective. A tank can be free of an MI infestation if it is never exposed to new MI parasites for over 11 months.

so in all actuality the possibilities of those that continue to purchase/trade frags on a constant basis has the possibility of continuing on the cycle of ich.

hmmm... Yeah I can see ich always ending up being present in our tanks. Maybe not on an infestation level...

Some of the things, in the link that you posted, were discussed in the following two threads recently:
http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/general-discussion/115529-can-ick-last-months.html
http://www.manhattanreefs.com/forum/general-discussion/113833-diary-ick-attack.html

 

[junior ibanez]

Since someone said ich is like herpes, I'm going to introduce my new fishes in the DT wrapped in a condom.

 

[albano]

Since someone said ich is like herpes, I'm going to introduce my new fishes in the DT wrapped in a condom.

I've always gotten the best deals on Magnums from the Canadian Mailorder stores

 

[junior ibanez]

I've always gotten the best deals on Magnums from the Canadian Mailorder stores

Lucky you

 

[Imbarrie]

To eliminate any risk of ich we must run two QT tanks. Since corals can carry ich also the minimum requirements of the coral QT tank are great filtration and at least T5 lighting. And any coral must live in that tank for two months to ensure a death by lack of host.
If you are QTing fish with medicine a second QT tank is needed because any medication would kill the coral in the other QT tank.

Really?

 

[KathyC]

Kathy that is why I didn't post about a store. But why can we not all post where we purchased from. How do you plan on trying to figure out a patter without knowing?

I believe I already figure out what vendor it was. And I did that last night. I have yet to post about it. And I prob wont

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As I said, if the people currently having the issue send me (or another Mod) a PM, with the info on where they have purchased from recently , I think it would be fairly easy to see if the same source is mentioned very frequently.

I have already heard from one member, so I would be curious to know where you were shopping and your thoughts.

Then again, not everyone who currently has up an Ich thread may have shopped in the same place, or could have shopped in multiple places, so we may learn nothing.

Creating a list on this thread of possible sources could be quite damaging to the businesses/sellers named...and that would be very unfair to them!

..and please let's keep this thread on topic.

 

[Arati]

like getting crabs after a night out and blaming it on the guy who sold you the beer.

qt ffs...

 

[thirty5]

like getting crabs after a night out and blaming it on the guy who sold you the beer.

qt ffs...

Not a very good analogy. Would be more like getting crabs after night out and blaming the Pimp.

But there is really no blame here. I have said it multiples times in this thread alone. That ultimatley it is my responsibility since proper at home husbandry was not used.

But what some stores also say "we qt'd them in medicated tanks". Well who said they were qt'd long enough or the proper amounts of meds being used.



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[NJMcGruff]

thirty5... stop crying about how you put ich( or mv) into your tank. the store didn't tell you not to qt the new fish. you did this on your own now you killed off all of your fish. I've seen 4 different posts on other forms of you trying to bash a store for your own mistake. So whats next you have flatworms and didn't dip the coral now blame the store for that why don't you.

 

[thirty5]

thirty5... stop crying about how you put ich( or mv) into your tank. the store didn't tell you not to qt the new fish. you did this on your own now you killed off all of your fish. I've seen 4 different posts on other forms of you trying to bash a store for your own mistake. So whats next you have flatworms and didn't dip the coral now blame the store for that why don't you.

First of all I m not bashing anyone. Read the damn thread. How many times can I say that it is my fault for not qt'ing. Unless you have something to add or keep on topic then mind your own business

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[Arati]

Not a very good analogy. Would be more like getting crabs after night out and blaming the Pimp.

But there is really no blame here. I have said it multiples times in this thread alone. That ultimatley it is my responsibility since proper at home husbandry was not used.

But what some stores also say "we qt'd them in medicated tanks". Well who said they were qt'd long enough or the proper amounts of meds being used.



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you are correct sir the pimp.

I do feel for you guys having that s~t is the worst.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3lQSxNdr3c

 

[isnyc300]

just came home to see everyone has ich. fml -_-

 

[d5332]

If they are barely showing symptoms now you are ok..

Buy a tank later today, move them, begin dropping salinity today and have it down to 1.010 say by Friday or Saturday and pick up Meds that you feel comfortable using,, copper, formalin, whaterver...

Make sure its not velvet, you will need copper exclusively and hyposalinity will probably not work.

just came home to see everyone has ich. fml -_-

 

[isnyc300]

one of my tangs is already on its side on the sand. Yea im going to get a 20 g and put a power filter on it. would that be sufficient?

 

[KathyC]

If they are barely showing symptoms now you are ok..

Buy a tank later today, move them, begin dropping salinity today and have it down to 1.010 say by Friday or Saturday and pick up Meds that you feel comfortable using,, copper, formalin, whaterver...

Make sure its not velvet, you will need copper exclusively and hyposalinity will probably not work.

You cannot do hypo and copper at the same time. It is one treatment or the other if it is Ich.
If it is velvet then copper is the only effective treatment.

If unsure of the proper diagnosis - then treat exclusively with copper at the correct dosage.