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Old 12-18-2016, 06:38 AM
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So many people leaving the hobby.......WHY

As I look around our forum and other forums I can't help but notice how many people are leaving out wonderful hobby. Everyday I see someone breaking down, getting out,etc etc. Usually don't see so many breakdowns until about summer time.
I saw pictures of the frag swap and no where near what I've seen in the past. Not a knock on the frag swap just saying. 6-7 vendors? Where was everyone?
Is it really getting that bad? Economy starting to increase. People not realizing what they were getting themselves into? I'm just curious
After all the mishaps and deaths I had early on I should of been out 5-6 times. More and more equipment is coming out so it helps make the hobby easier. Shute there selling alkalinity monitors and dosers with calcium on the way. It doesn't get any easier. Almost plug and play.
I'm just curious to reasons why and even people getting out please comment. Maybe there is something I or we can do as a community to help you stay.
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Old 12-18-2016, 10:05 AM
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It's just the nature call of the hobby, or for that matter any hobby. People get out because they have to move, don't have time, have kids, or are having a kid, have accidents with the tank, or their girlfriend/spouse doesn't want the tank, and not to mention things dying or the tank not being what they want it to be, money issues. Plus people do get bored and decide to do something else.

Actually there were 12 vendors at the swap, a few less than normal but partly this is that we only let in vendors who are vendors on the board to the swap.
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Old 12-18-2016, 12:01 PM
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I wondered too when I came back in. There don't seem to be nearly as many people as when I left. The economy is always part of it. People seem to be running much small tanks now compared to ten years ago or so.

I left the hobby last time because I didn't have the time to baby sit an SPS tank 24-7. This time around I setup the tank so that it would really need minimal input form me. Having a tank that doesn't demand much of me in terms of maintenance should keep me from getting burnt out.

The other big thing that I'm hoping keeps me from getting burnt is I designed the tank with limitations on it. I feel like there's always something you "need" in this hobby. There's always some new piece of equipment you need to fix that one problem you're having. Then everything will be perfect. It never ends and people, at least I, got burnt after awhile. This time around I went with no sump!

Crazy you say? I went with a Tunze skimmer which really takes up less space than an overflow would. It surface skimms which is where all the nasty stuff is anyway. IME its hard to design a sump where you'll be able to skim efficiently. The overflow is arguably the best piece of equipment in our tanks. It skims all the nasty off the surface, all concentrated and then if you have a sump, it mixes it back into the water! It makes no sense. If you have a gravity fed skimmer that can be really great but I was never a fan of the in sump skimmer without being gravity fed.

So I have the Tunze skimmer in a corner and I hid the heater and my other stuff behind that. It all still takes up less space than an overflow and it's all hidden. I got a shipping barrel for cheap that is safe for drinking water. I stashed it in a corner of a closet in the basement. I have my RODI empty in to there with a float switch and I have a five gallon bucket next to it for top off water. I made a PVC hook out of 3/4" pipe to make water changes easier. From start to finish I can change 30 gallons of water in under ten minutes with no drops of water on the floor.

The best for me is that regardless of how tempted I am to run GFO or add some other thing to the tank, I can't. I'm limited. Which long term, I think is better. It forces me to do water changes weekly or bi-weekly and the tank is doing great. I use kalk top off and I'm constantly having to scrape coraline off the glass.

I think if you plan your tank so that you don't NEED to mess with it you'll last longer in the hobby.
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Old 12-18-2016, 01:04 PM
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Think there's some truth to the saying that every 30 years or so things come back into style. Remember the last time around how big the hobby was, when bio balls was the latest and greatest.
Haven't noticed a decline as of late, and with the aging baby boomers the pet industry is set to have the biggest expansion ever.
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Old 12-18-2016, 01:13 PM
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I think it may also be the economy. This is an expensive hobby. Plus, I am a bit turned off by the trend of "designer" corals. $1,200 for a fragged mushroom? Really? What is horrible is that it costs the vendors a lot as well!

When someone loses a $1,200 frag they are much more likely to give up on the hobby...
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Old 12-18-2016, 01:29 PM
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Very true. I was amazed at what size "frags" were now. Also every thing has a name. There's no more "zoa" or "orange-ish zoa" no more "Acro sp.". Everything has a turd polish name.
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Old 12-18-2016, 01:54 PM
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However, the one thing that really makes me stick around is that we still are mostly some incredible people. I have had the pleasure of helping and being helped by some amazing people. Generous with time and "stuff". How many times haven't we seen a fellow hobbyist have a catastrophe and so many people offer to help that a few have to be turned away!

I think a big part is that times are tough. Even with me, I had several years where my health went downhill and business got bad. I let my tank sit there after a crash without starting over because I just couldn't afford it financially or mentally. BUT- When I decided to start up again several people stepped up and offered frags, etc. This is one of those places where most of us tend to pay it forward.
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Old 12-18-2016, 05:30 PM
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Its the prices people put on stupid name crap// Dude its a mushroom or a Zoa Etc.. But u people are that stupid to pay the crazy $ they will still try to sell u the junk. I know its RARE or some dumb name to get more $. It all still dies , in all our tanks, Just like frags and u want to watch grow, u spent 20 on a zoa polyp that came off a Huge piece that was bought from a wholesaler or wherever for $25 then they put a name on it , GET the point. Stop buying crazy name crap and it will go away and everyone can afford
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Old 12-18-2016, 06:34 PM
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A lot of people leave cause they are to lazy to take care of a tank(that's cool)just be honest no big deal

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Old 12-18-2016, 07:07 PM
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I don't think there is much evidence that the hobby is shrinking or that more people are getting out than we have seen in the past. Look at how many stores have opened in the past year or two. What I think is true is that on-line forums have fallen out of favor and there is a ton more activity on FB etc. Small swaps are also giving way to large national palooza type shows and that has noticeable effects. MR is no different and because we have a robust marketplace, people do come here to sell stuff, so I think it might seem like one thing and it really is something else.
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