No Sick fish, my experience...........

[cb747]

Id like to give everyone my experience with the no sick fish ick medicine. IMO it doesnt work. It made matters much worse in my tank. Ive had a slight case of ick for about 2 months affecting 2 fish. I figured what the heck and ordered the No Sick Fish Ick treatment and started treating the tank as per the instructions. In 3 days every fish in my tank was covered in ick. I send an email to NSF and Tyler calls me on the phone. I think hey its good customer service. He proceeds to tell me that the product is indeed working and its supposed to hatch all the dormant ick in the tank and my infestation is so bad because its been lying dormant in the tank for atleast 2 months. I didnt know ick goes dormant. Anyway he suggests i up the dosage slightly and keep him informed. A few more days pass and a few more dead fish. 6 dead fish and counting now. I send a second email Sunday asking when the product is supposed to work. I get no reply. I send another crankier email today re asking the same question and also asking for a refund. I get a reply stating that he doesnt know how long it will take and im to continue treatment but he doesnt expect me to spend more money. No offer to ship another bottle of pee water. he also states that its effective only 85% of the time and i must be in the remaining 15% where this doesnt work. I didnt know there were multiple strains of ick. So in the end i have a tank full of ick infested fish. I have never in my life had an outbreak so bad. Do i attribute the explosive outbreak in such a short time to the medicine? Yes i do. I do feel that the medicine did cause the explosive outbreak so hey ill give it credit there. It has NOT however killed any ick that i can see. Im to continue medicating and spending more money on snake oil. IMO this product does not work. Atleast not for me. Its heartbreaking watching fish ive had for years succumb to this. I lost one of my prized fish too. The female of my mating hybrid clowns. That fish is irreplacable. So there you have it, my horrible experience. Copper is the only proven killer of ick. I also dont use a QT tank so in the end i only have myself to blame for getting ick in the first place. In that reguard i played with fire and got burned. I never would have needed NSF if i used a QT tank.

 

[michael stern]

Chris,

I am so sorry for the trouble you've been having.
I have not heard good things about NSF, and agree that Copper is the only viable treatment, and QT is essential.

That being said, I believe there is a particularly virulent strain of ich going around. I've had a couple customers turn to me for help recently. They have gotten ich (not from my fish, BTW) that has very quickly wiped out entire tanks. I've never seen or heard it this bad.

Best of luck.
Is this a reef tank?
Can you pull out all the remaining fish?

 

[chazertis]

Will you continue the treatment regiment?

 

[1UCKY]

I refuse to treat any of my sick fish with any medication! If they are strong they will over-come their illness. From what I've learned all these medications out on the market are all BULL!

 

[marrone]

I refuse to treat any of my sick fish with any medication! If they are strong they will over-come their illness. From what I've learned all these medications out on the market are all BULL!

Ich is not a disease but a parasite, so you're treating to kill the parasite.

 

[scumonkey]

Copper does work

 

[1UCKY]

Ich is not a disease but a parasite, so you're treating to kill the parasite.

I was referring to both (parasite or any kind of disease).

 

[marrone]

I was referring to both (parasite or any kind of disease).

This is so not true I don't know where to start.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Were the fish QT'D? Or did you treat the display tank?

 

[masterswimmer]

I also dont use a QT tank so in the end i only have myself to blame for getting ick in the first place. In that reguard i played with fire and got burned. I never would have needed NSF if i used a QT tank.

Here's your answer chief

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

I know RIF :banghead: I should have read the first post.

 

[Paul B]

Hey Chris, lend me some of that stuff, I want to start an ich farm.
Anyway I feel for you buddy.
(Chris is my fish babysitter if I go on vacation)
As you know my tank got ich a couple of months ago when I had a water incident. The hippo was covered in paracites as were most of the other fish. I did lose a couple of fish but now they are fine with no treatment.
I still feel that if you can get fish into breeding condition (which is not easy) they are "almost" immune from ich. I can say that because although I think it is very important to quarantine and you will not have an ich problem if you do, I do not. As you know, my tank is an experiment and I would not advise anyone to do as I do but in over three decades of adding animals, NSW, seaweed, local NY fish etc. there has not been a case of ich for over 25 years until there was a stressful situation that killed some fish.
I believe the condition of the fish prevents or at least reduces the effect of ich on the fish.
To get fish into breeding condition is not easy. They have to be fed a variety of fresh food, not flakes or pellets although these can be added.
Also vitamin A and calcium is needed. Fish in the sea eat mostly other fish. A fishes liver is full of vitamin A which is almost absent in commercially prepared foods. Fish get calcium from the bones of fish, by feeding fish fillets you are not giving them calcium.
I also think that the majority of tanks are too clean and not natural enough.
Chris has a beautiful tank, much nicer looking than mine and I feel bad for him.
Chris we have to go collecting. I went out the other day and got a bunch of amphipods and about a million of those silversides you were looking for.
Good luck buddy and I hope all works out well.
Have a great day.
Paul

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

Ok I am gonna say this and don't take this the wrong way:


Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever medicate your display tank. Always use a QT. I feel very bad that you are going through this right now and I am so sorry for your fish and I think the results you are getting suck but always use a qt.

 

[cb747]

Yep ive learned my lesson! Im not taking anything said the wrong way. I played with fire and burnt myself. Then compounded the problem adding that piss water ick medicine. Tyler refuses to refund my money nor send me more product. Hes "confidant" that it will cure the ick. Like im going to spend another 50 for it. Fat chance. If he was so sure it would work i would think he would be sending it rather than risking bad publicity over his product. He is aware that im posting in various places my experience with his product. If i can save 1 pewrson from going thru my experince it will be worth it.

Paul i so wanted to go last weekend. Dam life getting in the way! Hopefully next time! I need silversides!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone else thanks for the well wishes and hopefully some fish will pull thru. I know at the very least my 4 eels will do fine.

 

[e.muehlbauer]

How old is your tank? When I first set up my tank, about 11 years ago, ich was a normal occurence....any new fish would get it, tangs the worst. I would try to treat it with non-copper meds, and QT the worst fish with copper/formalin....no luck. The quarantined fish were the worst...the stress of quarantening, the meds, the FW baths, only made them sicker. Finally, I just gave up. I decided that since ich was permanently residing in my tank, it was best to just let the fish ride it out...,no treatments at all....if they were healthy, they would survive. The best did survive...and I discovered that after a few years, ich disappeared entirely from my system, never to return...I found that I could even put in a hippo tang, nature's ich magnet, without getting a single spot. In fact the only fish disease I have encountered in my tank in the past 7-8 years is the occasional HLL, which only seems to affect hippo tangs and an occasional angel (I have given up on hippo tangs....they eat like pigs, refuse to grow, and end up as lumpy footballs...yes, I know...they are supposed to grow like mad...but I have never had one grow...in kength, that is...). Take care, Eric

 

[1UCKY]

How old is your tank? When I first set up my tank, about 11 years ago, ich was a normal occurence....any new fish would get it, tangs the worst. I would try to treat it with non-copper meds, and QT the worst fish with copper/formalin....no luck. The quarantined fish were the worst...the stress of quarantening, the meds, the FW baths, only made them sicker. Finally, I just gave up. I decided that since ich was permanently residing in my tank, it was best to just let the fish ride it out...,no treatments at all....if they were healthy, they would survive. The best did survive...and I discovered that after a few years, ich disappeared entirely from my system, never to return...I found that I could even put in a hippo tang, nature's ich magnet, without getting a single spot. In fact the only fish disease I have encountered in my tank in the past 7-8 years is the occasional HLL, which only seems to affect hippo tangs and an occasional angel (I have given up on hippo tangs....they eat like pigs, refuse to grow, and end up as lumpy footballs...yes, I know...they are supposed to grow like mad...but I have never had one grow...in kength, that is...). Take care, Eric

Nicely put! Sounds like my past experiences.....

 

[cb747]

My tank is 10 years old i think. Right around there anyway. Right now im just letting nature take its course and whatever survives will survive. if too much dies ill sell off whats left and exit the hobby for awhile. Im very frustrated over this.
Its funny watching Tyler defend his product email after email but yet offer nothing to help the situation. Im supposed to spend more money for more product that IMO doesnt work. You would think it would be great customer service to send out a free bottle if he was so sure it would work. IMO i believe he knows it wont work no matter how long i treat. In the end i will have NO SICK FISH because they will be DEAD. Maybe thats what the name means! At that time treatment will be a success! I really wish someone could analyze this stuff in a lab to see what the ingredients are and test them 1 by 1 to see the affect on ick which im sure is nothing!!

 

[Awibrandy]

WOW Chris! I am really sorry to hear of the loss of your fish. I know from experience how you must be feeling.

Best wishes on the health of your remaining fish.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

My tank is 10 years old i think. Right around there anyway. Right now im just letting nature take its course and whatever survives will survive. if too much dies ill sell off whats left and exit the hobby for awhile. Im very frustrated over this.
Its funny watching Tyler defend his product email after email but yet offer nothing to help the situation. Im supposed to spend more money for more product that IMO doesnt work. You would think it would be great customer service to send out a free bottle if he was so sure it would work. IMO i believe he knows it wont work no matter how long i treat. In the end i will have NO SICK FISH because they will be DEAD. Maybe thats what the name means! At that time treatment will be a success! I really wish someone could analyze this stuff in a lab to see what the ingredients are and test them 1 by 1 to see the affect on ick which im sure is nothing!!

Have you posted on RC? I know you will get flamed but it also gives you a larger audience and if you want something analized you should shoot solbby PM see if he can take a look at it for you.

 

[cb747]

Ive posted in 2 places on RC. In the vender feedback forum and also in the LIRA forum. Funny because no one has defended the product yet. Just several people with the same "success" as ive had. Once all the fish died everyone has had No Sick Fish..............
Awibrandy thanks for the well wishes!