dont you hate when people say....

[evoIX_Reefer]

You shouldn't get this fish because.....

I personally think an expected life span of the fish you plan to keep is generally two to three years. If your tank can handle that fish for that long without causing issues then your fine. WTH do people keep generalizing that you shouldn't have a tang for a fish that is currently 1" and adult size of about 12" but won't get there until 2+ years later. reason I'm saying this is I know someone who purchased a blue hippo and had him at a very small size 1/2" in a 33 long. 4-5 years down the road it was at around 10" guess what....he upgraded during that time!!!


you know just like everyone else. there is a HIGH probability you will upgrade your tank, sell the fish, it die of other reasons than size of tank.


If you want to go on about size of tanks, you don't go to the extremes like the above without having a plan. If I don't plan on upgrading due to promising the wife (no upgrades for 4 years). So plan accordingly, I know if I decided to buy a blue hippo as of now. I would NOT keep it passed a certain size and I've seen many for sale threads showing it is not just me that understands when you need to sale that fish to someone who has a larger tank.

:iamwithst

 

[DA fisherman]

you shouldn't get this fish because.....

I personally think an expected life span of the fish you plan to keep is generally two to three years. If your tank can handle that fish for that long without causing issues then your fine. Wth do people keep generalizing that you shouldn't have a tang for a fish that is currently 1" and adult size of about 12" but won't get there until 2+ years later. Reason i'm saying this is i know someone who purchased a blue hippo and had him at a very small size 1/2" in a 33 long. 4-5 years down the road it was at around 10" guess what....he upgraded during that time!!!


You know just like everyone else. There is a high probability you will upgrade your tank, sell the fish, it die of other reasons than size of tank.


If you want to go on about size of tanks, you don't go to the extremes like the above without having a plan. If i don't plan on upgrading due to promising the wife (no upgrades for 4 years). So plan accordingly, i know if i decided to buy a blue hippo as of now. I would not keep it passed a certain size and i've seen many for sale threads showing it is not just me that understands when you need to sale that fish to someone who has a larger tank.

:iamwithst

+1

 

[Mattl22]

I agree to a point I have 1 hippo about 5" now in my 75 he was in my bio cube when he was 1-2"
But having a bunch of tangs or any fish in a small tank just to have them fight and die is kinda cruel
I know people that have fish in there tank for over 10 yrs so 2 - 3 yr for most fish I think is not very good


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[jaa1456]

I keep all of my larger fish tangs/angels whatever in smaller tanks when I first get them. The fish are small to begin with as well. It is easier to monitor them and make sure they are healthy and adjusting to life in a tank before moving them to a larger tank.

 

[e.muehlbauer]

I find that fish either dies within less than a year or live for many years. I just bought some new fish the other day, first time in years. all my other fish have been with me for at least 3 years...my maroon clown, maybe 6 years. However, I do not find that my fish grow to their potential in a tank. Maroon clowns are the only ones that seem to grow for me, but even mine has stopped in the last 2 years- its about 4" long. My yellow tang grew rapidly to double its size in its first year. Hasn't grown at all the last 2 years or so. My ocellaris clowns have never grown, and I've had them maybe 4 years or more, same sizes as when I got them. (The maroon and yellow tang are in my 55, the ocellaris are in my 30.)

 

[evoIX_Reefer]

good examples, e.muehlbauer.


The real question should be is how many people have really had a full grown fish at the recommended size or just like 90% of us since the purchase price is cheaper for juvies instead of show size have never reached it's full potential or need for a bigger size tank? I only upgrade since i wanted more fish. I personally never put in fish that were going to outgrow the size of my tank.

 

[JimmyR1rider]

You shouldn't get this fish because.....

I personally think an expected life span of the fish you plan to keep is generally two to three years. If your tank can handle that fish for that long without causing issues then your fine. WTH do people keep generalizing that you shouldn't have a tang for a fish that is currently 1" and adult size of about 12" but won't get there until 2+ years later. reason I'm saying this is I know someone who purchased a blue hippo and had him at a very small size 1/2" in a 33 long. 4-5 years down the road it was at around 10" guess what....he upgraded during that time!!!


you know just like everyone else. there is a HIGH probability you will upgrade your tank, sell the fish, it die of other reasons than size of tank.


If you want to go on about size of tanks, you don't go to the extremes like the above without having a plan. If I don't plan on upgrading due to promising the wife (no upgrades for 4 years). So plan accordingly, I know if I decided to buy a blue hippo as of now. I would NOT keep it passed a certain size and I've seen many for sale threads showing it is not just me that understands when you need to sale that fish to someone who has a larger tank.

:iamwithst

Maybe its because of a lot of the actual experts that learned all of the reasoning why not to do certain things, or what fish not to keep (like 10 clowns in a 45G, or that you need at least a 75G tank for tangs) learned through the school of hard knocks, and published the findings to save others in the hobby the loss of livestock as well as to help provide people with the knowledge to provide fish an as close to proper habitat as possible.

Remember its because of those old timers that we are able to keep reefs. before all the equipment got developed for home aquariums- like skimmers and reactors, the life expectancy of a coral or fish if you were lucky was 6 months, now were able to keep them for years, even decades without being a complete expert on every aspect like you used to have to be.

I dont like when people go completely overboard hammering someone who makes an honest mistake or two, but I believe putting up a thread on a forum because you dont like that people tell people that what theyre planning to do isnt right for the fish they're planning on doing it with isn't exactly a great route to go either. If you really don't want peoples feedback unless its positive and a hey you're doing the right thing, my advice is not to ask. Most in this hobby will tell you hey you're about to do a big F UP because theyre out there to help the fellow hobbyist have a great experience with their systems.

They say tangs need a 6 foot or better tank to have the proper swimming room. If you knew youd want tangs or other fish that are similar in size and needs, then you should have started with a 120G or better.

I'm not a big believer in buying a fish that you will have to switch him into another tank when its older and more towards its fully matured size. Why cause the thing more stress through out its lifespan----not to mention each time you stress out a tang its succeptable to having an outbreak of ich, which will reek havock if its a bad case. The stress isnt just from moving it, but moving it after years of it knowing the rockwork and its "safe" places and him having to learn a completely new environment. But hey, if you want to basically call out the people that tell you that's not a good idea at all, so be it- just leave the thread open later so all the people that you "hated" what they told you can post:

"I told you so"


Just my 0.02

 

[jaa1456]

Maybe its because of a lot of the actual experts that learned all of the reasoning why not to do certain things, or what fish not to keep (like 10 clowns in a 45G, or that you need at least a 75G tank for tangs) learned through the school of hard knocks, and published the findings to save others in the hobby the loss of livestock as well as to help provide people with the knowledge to provide fish an as close to proper habitat as possible.

Remember its because of those old timers that we are able to keep reefs. before all the equipment got developed for home aquariums- like skimmers and reactors, the life expectancy of a coral or fish if you were lucky was 6 months, now were able to keep them for years, even decades without being a complete expert on every aspect like you used to have to be.

I dont like when people go completely overboard hammering someone who makes an honest mistake or two, but I believe putting up a thread on a forum because you dont like that people tell people that what theyre planning to do isnt right for the fish they're planning on doing it with isn't exactly a great route to go either. If you really don't want peoples feedback unless its positive and a hey you're doing the right thing, my advice is not to ask. Most in this hobby will tell you hey you're about to do a big F UP because theyre out there to help the fellow hobbyist have a great experience with their systems.

They say tangs need a 6 foot or better tank to have the proper swimming room. If you knew youd want tangs or other fish that are similar in size and needs, then you should have started with a 120G or better.

I'm not a big believer in buying a fish that you will have to switch him into another tank when its older and more towards its fully matured size. Why cause the thing more stress through out its lifespan----not to mention each time you stress out a tang its succeptable to having an outbreak of ich, which will reek havock if its a bad case. The stress isnt just from moving it, but moving it after years of it knowing the rockwork and its "safe" places and him having to learn a completely new environment. But hey, if you want to basically call out the people that tell you that's not a good idea at all, so be it- just leave the thread open later so all the people that you "hated" what they told you can post:

"I told you so"


Just my 0.02

This coming from a guy who picks and chooses the advice he follows.

 

[Dre]

I really don't see the point here. A lion is most happy in a zoo or on a protected preserve in Africa? Well the same apply to fish. The question should be where is your fish more happy ,in a 33 gal tank or in 330 gal tank?

 

[Dre]

Oh, and Btw most people don't have tanks for Tangs to grow to their full sizes as a matter off fact they never stop growing IN THE WILD .

 

[prattreef]

Everyone picks and chooses which advice they follow, but to blatantly ignore or write off the accumulated wisdom of many generations of hobbyists and professionals is foolish. ( not you Jaa, starting juvi specimens in a smaller system to better deal with their needs before moving them into their larger home makes sense). To get annoyed by it is even more foolish. Do folks think these recommendations are made to deny people pleasure or preserve some sort of elite club of hobbyists? Why ever ask for any advice about anything if you intend to completely ignore the advice if it doesn't jibe with what you want to do?

Individuals will do what they will do, and on occasion they might even succeed when breaking from common wisdom, but this is assuredly the exception and not the rule--otherwise, the recommendations would be different.

 

[Arati]

5 of my 6 fish are 4 years old. paul B has plenty of fish well over 10yrs old. I dont think a 3yr life expectation is a sign of good husbandry.


prattreef I hope you dont mind I quote that.. ive been trying say that as well as you for a long time. lol

 

[JimmyR1rider]

This coming from a guy who picks and chooses the advice he follows.

What do you mean by that whiner? I have asked people I trust for their advice outside of my reading. Masterswimmer, Prattreef, House of Laughter, KathyC pecan2phat. Other than them I have asked NOBODY for advice, so where you got that lame comment from I dont know. I have NEVER asked advice and went the oposite way.

Ask any and all of them, I have followed their advice to the T. I wanted a tang- a yellow tang to be exact, but I have a 65G so I didnt do it. The largest fish I have is radiant wrasse that needs a minimum of 50G I also dont have a heavily stocked tank. I have a pair of clowns- if you were in my tank Id have a trio of clowns, I have 2 firefish, a cardinal and a lawnmower blenny with some corals. I was given sound advice when I first started on stocking and sizing of fish proper to my tank, I also followed advice to the T on cycling the tank, I have had NONE of the issues of the people that ignore or complain about what the experts and old timers of the hobby have said have had. I had my alkalinity and ph drop off once, fixed that problem and been smooth sailing before and since.

My post was in no way intended towards you. But you should really stop coming after people that will return fire jaa- we both know all it will do is end in you complaining to the mods that I contacted you unwantedly after you telling me Ill cry to the mods.

My post was towards evo and was more of a there are reasons people have said those things he quoted, not as a jerk move or post.

 

[JimmyR1rider]

Oh, and Btw most people don't have tanks for Tangs to grow to their full sizes as a matter off fact they never stop growing IN THE WILD .

Yes but people with 55 and under putting them in and saying eeh Ill just sell it or upgrade maybe when it outgrows the tank is where people fall short of having responsible decision making. At least with a 6 foot tank as many state as what a tang needs at the bare minimum they can house it a little more on the proper side DRE.

Sorry forgot - cant have an opinion before the tang mafia(and one joke) want to go back and forth about it.

 

[Dre]

Yes but people with 55 and under putting them in and saying eeh Ill just sell it or upgrade maybe when it outgrows the tank is where people fall short of having responsible decision making. At least with a 6 foot tank as many state as what a tang needs at the bare minimum they can house it a little more on the proper side DRE.

Sorry forgot - cant have an opinion before the tang mafia(and one joke) want to go back and forth about it.

True .

 

[lfsmarineguy]

2-3 years for most species isn't that great.

I totally agree with, Randy. I have no idea why people try to argue this point as if the objective is to deny someone entry into some club. I don't really see the point in even posting this if not to just stir the pot.

You don't have to take anyone's advice, but just be prepared to reap the rewards of your actions. Everyone thinks they are going to be the ones to rewrite the books and the majority of those who try, come up severely lacking.

 

[jaa1456]

What do you mean by that whiner? I have asked people I trust for their advice outside of my reading. Masterswimmer, Prattreef, House of Laughter, KathyC pecan2phat. Other than them I have asked NOBODY for advice, so where you got that lame comment from I dont know. I have NEVER asked advice and went the oposite way.

Ask any and all of them, I have followed their advice to the T. I wanted a tang- a yellow tang to be exact, but I have a 65G so I didnt do it. The largest fish I have is radiant wrasse that needs a minimum of 50G I also dont have a heavily stocked tank. I have a pair of clowns- if you were in my tank Id have a trio of clowns, I have 2 firefish, a cardinal and a lawnmower blenny with some corals. I was given sound advice when I first started on stocking and sizing of fish proper to my tank, I also followed advice to the T on cycling the tank, I have had NONE of the issues of the people that ignore or complain about what the experts and old timers of the hobby have said have had. I had my alkalinity and ph drop off once, fixed that problem and been smooth sailing before and since.

My post was in no way intended towards you. But you should really stop coming after people that will return fire jaa- we both know all it will do is end in you complaining to the mods that I contacted you unwantedly after you telling me Ill cry to the mods.

My post was towards evo and was more of a there are reasons people have said those things he quoted, not as a jerk move or post.

Whiner, I think that is the funniest thing you have said ever on here, besides saying I go to the Mods and cry when we both know you are the one doing that. I really don't care if you "FIRE" back or whatever else you wanna call it. We both know the truth Whiner. Now take some more advice instead of always saying I yea I should have listened or saying what do you know, and calling people with tons of experience, inexperienced. I know you have a 65 and you can keep a yellow tang in there for a little while, but just be ready to rehome the fish.

 

[JimmyR1rider]

Have never called anyone with ton of experience inexperienced. Let the truth be known jaa. Why did I get a reefberry from kathy last time we went at it about if I had contacted you? I guess cause I cried to her? She sent me the RB to tell me you contacted the mods stating I contacted you unwarranted, So I said nooo problem.

I could with the tang, but I wont. It wouldnt be right.

How was the vacation I heard from someone you had lately? More threats? Smart.

I don't need to take any advice right now off of here, my tank is doing fine and the only advice Id take from you is how to get free ball joints from the Ford dealer, wait nah Ill stick with motortrendz on that one.

 

[Arati]