Peter,
I don't think we should make this personal with John.
I think he is only telling us the information MAC has provided him.
dizzy":20pncb2i said:So Steve,
What do you want us to do? Shave our heads, give away all our worldly possessions, don flowing orange colored robs, promise never to laugh or make light again, and then go stand on the corner and sell incense and flowers while reading from a book of quotations. :roll:
dizzy":abbbmmls said:Mike,
I agree with you. John is just the messenger. He's also a human shield. He does seem to enjoy polishing his spin skills though. Perhaps a career as Whitehouse press secretary is in his future. :lol:
JennM":1w8u1f0n said:Peter,
I don't think we should make this personal with John.
I think he is only telling us the information MAC has provided him.
No it should not be personal toward John, I never advocate shooting the messenger -- however, if someone is repeating information, that either means that A) They should have verified its truth or B) They believe it.
Since John (in this case) defends MAC so valiantly, we must assume that he has either verified the facts as he's presenting them or he has blind faith in those who are providing those facts.
It's not personal, John, but which is it? Your own independent verification, or blind faith?
Jenn
cortez marine":8crue6md said:Hey Mitch,
Whos not funny?
It was I who wove the Iraqi Information Minister into our dialogue. And speaking of this great communicator, I hear that after he surrenders, he's going to apply for a job with MAC.
'Can't you just hear him..."We have certified now 6,450 retailers, 53 wholesalers, 21 exporters and 7 divers"!
Steve
John_Brandt":1tv7645h said:JennM":1tv7645h said:Peter,
I don't think we should make this personal with John.
I think he is only telling us the information MAC has provided him.
No it should not be personal toward John, I never advocate shooting the messenger -- however, if someone is repeating information, that either means that A) They should have verified its truth or B) They believe it.
Since John (in this case) defends MAC so valiantly, we must assume that he has either verified the facts as he's presenting them or he has blind faith in those who are providing those facts.
It's not personal, John, but which is it? Your own independent verification, or blind faith?
Jenn
It's neither, Jenn.
You forgot a third possibility....cash. I don't know anything really. I just do it for the money.
Heck, if you paid me enough Jenn, I'd run around telling people that the net-caught fish that you sell in your store come from "sustainable" reef areas!
John Brandt
MASNA
MAC
CMAS-Chicago
cortez marine":219knr7g said:OK John,
Here's another one. Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall...Humpty Dumpty answered to Paul.
All the MAC paperwork and all of MACs men, couldn't put Humpty together again.
As the great "aquarium trade token" on the board John, you have an impossible job to do. Randy, former AMDA president and representative to MAC burned himself out defending MAC against all reason. John Tullock retired, Bob Fenner and Eric Borneman don't ever bother any more. Mary M. resigned as did Ferdie, the head trainer.
Poor Lino Alvarez , MAC country coordinator is in the hospital today from "stress"induced problems. .
I worry about you John. How are you feeling?
Your friend, Steve
dizzy":2dhjze4q said:Mike,
I agree with you. John is just the messenger. He's also a human shield. He does seem to enjoy polishing his spin skills though. Perhaps a career as Whitehouse press secretary is in his future. :lol:
cortez marine":b1r5k0nm said:Well first John,
I'm going to the IMAC in Chicago...not on MACs dime...to see you guys...to search for common ground as president of AMDA.
Second, I'm going with the new CORL net training proposal to "save the industry..."{snip}
You put human face on the MAC John and give people someone to talk to from the aquarium trade. Just look at the built up energy on this thing now that dialogue is possible. With you on this side and Lino on the Manila side, perhaps there is a chance .
The way it was going, there was not. Really, they ought to delete a less productive employee and put you on salary.
Sincerely, Steve
"Independant" AMDA president
John_Brandt":3jqe33dn said:dizzy":3jqe33dn said:Mike,
I agree with you. John is just the messenger. He's also a human shield. He does seem to enjoy polishing his spin skills though. Perhaps a career as Whitehouse press secretary is in his future. :lol:
Mitch, should I go for it now?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9731-2003May19.html