MSI Philippine Net Fund

[mkirda]

The rolls arrived into the warehouse yesterday and one was slightly damaged.
It looks like one of the rolls was brushed against a crate while loading onto the truck.

In looking at the pictures, it appears that only the first couple of layers on the roll were damaged, so we decided to go ahead and ship it as is.

Today is the cut-off. It will be loaded into a container today and depart for the west coast via train either tonight or early tomorrow.

July 2nd is still the estimated US departure date.

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[John_Brandt]

Mike, that looks just like an eel rubbing to me.

 

[mkirda]

Mike, that looks just like an eel rubbing to me.

You'll have to get Kalkbreath's opinion on that.
Looks to me to be good ol' fashioned 'crate scrape'.
At least there are no forklift holes through it. :wink:

Regards.
Mike Kirda

 

[dizzy]

Perhaps the netting caught someone in a lie and it was damaged as they struggled to free themselves. Or maybe it was a bird or a bat. :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

Thankfully, is wasn't a RAT.

 

[MaryHM]

I just received the shipping invoice, and have updated the tracking page with new information:

http://www.reefsource.com/netting_material_fund.htm

 

[MaryHM]

Great news!! The netting material has arrived in the Philippines!! It will probably take several days to get it released, and at that point I will release more information and pictures.

 

[Anonymous]

Congratualtions, Mary. It's nice to see actual photos of actual accomplishments toward reform instead of promises, manifestos, and just plain old BS.

Peace,

Chip

 

[mkirda]

Great news!! The netting material has arrived in the Philippines!! It will probably take several days to get it released, and at that point I will release more information and pictures.

Mary is (probably) still asleep, so I am posting these two pics just in from Ferdinand...

The nets are out of customs and have been delivered to a storage area.

Ferdinand plans to work with Mary on how to proceed with distributing the netting material.

Regards.
Mike Kirda
P.S. There is a lot more information from Ferdinand on all the prices he paid. I will let Mary release this information on her web site.

 

[clarionreef]

What a beautiful sight!
To see all that hand-netting material in Manila!
A historic event in the glacial pace of industry reform.
May it be the start of accelerating events.
Congratulations to all involved!
Steve @ AMDA

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Great news!! The netting material has arrived in the Philippines!! It will probably take several days to get it released, and at that point I will release more information and pictures.

Mary is (probably) still asleep, so I am posting these two pics just in from Ferdinand...

The nets are out of customs and have been delivered to a storage area.

Ferdinand plans to work with Mary on how to proceed with distributing the netting material.

Regards.
Mike Kirda
P.S. There is a lot more information from Ferdinand on all the prices he paid. I will let Mary release this information on her web site.

Can someone tell what happened with the nets. Last thing we knew was that the nets were "in a warehouse". Those nets went to the Philippines. Is there a final report from Ferdinand saying how were distributed and how many net collected fish were channeled to the US because of that 'contribution"?

jaime

 

[Jaime Baquero]

Hi all,

Probably someone could help to understand what happened here. Initially when this " net material fund" was developed, in the middle of 2003, there was an urgent need for material to be capable of training poor fish collectors in specific spots in the Philippines. This was a great event, Steve R. said that it was " a historic event in the glacial pace of industry reform". A few months later, we knew that the nets were sitting in a warehouse doing nothing. In 2006, we knew that the net material was being used for training in Indonesia. Today, we do not know how many of the Filipino collectors(who were asking for nets and for whom the net fund was created) got really trained.

People contributing to these kind of initiatives should get at least a report of what happened with their contributions. Organizers should stick to the initial goals to be capable of providing answers when asked.

What do you think?


jaime


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[JeremyR]

Are you really interested in the answer or are you just looking to further discredit Ferdinand?

 

[Jaime Baquero]

JeremyR,

The results speak by themselves. I am really interested in the answer, or better to know what happened.

Jaime

 

[clarionreef]

Barrier netting was what was the most needed...
And it was not sent over in that particular project. It should have been.
Why it wasn't...who knows. They didn't listen to me.

AMDA sent 3 bundles of barrier netting to Les co-op and they put it all to use...
The barrier netting costs $350.00 a 300' bundle the size of a duffle bag.
Each bundle supplies 30 divers.
That truck load of handnetting would be enough for every fish collector in the world many times over....and for many years.
Steve
PS.
Heres our best asst trainer, Romulo in action

 

[clarionreef]

now...........
how cheap handnetting could be sent as a one size fits all
answer to collecting issues is beyond me.
The difference in the two types is too obvoius to point out and yet, no "aquarium reform" project offering alternatives to cyanide fishing ever seems to get it right...except the Les Village.
As you can see here, handnetting uses very little material. A foot long piece times 3-4 feet long is enough for 2 or 3 nets alone....then X thousands of feet in a gigantic roll???
Look at the photo and then look at the truckload...you tell me how many nets you think are possible from that?
Handnets are for handnets and barrier nets are used as clear underwater corrals to chase fishes into. A completely different net....that targets different fish!
They are 3 feet tall and 20 feet long on the average.
Steve

 

[PeterIMA]

Steve, You are right about there being lots of hand netting material sent to Ferdinand by Mary Middlebrook. Ferdinand is still giving it away to collectors that he has worked with in both the Philippines and Indonesia.

There have been at least two recent articles (TFH, Coral) written by MAC personnel describing the fact that the collectors in Indonesia cannot obtain hand netting material. They apparently go to great time and effort to weave netting to make hand nets. The problem with this is that the hand nets they create have knots. Small fish like green chromis get damaged by the knots in the hand nets.

Perhaps this is an area where EASTI can help the collectors at villages trained by the MAC.

Peter

 

[clarionreef]

at villages trained by the MAC

If something as basic and simple as the netting materials was not even understood by them....just how genuine could such "trainings" have been?

Supplying fishers with the now infamous, opague white netting and green netting was evidence of outright , premeditated fraud.
Convincing fisherman that net collecting doesn't really work sent many fisherman back to cyanide fishing...a huge disservice to all and the very source of much responsible criticism.
Re-training and supplying nets to every "mis-handled" village would be a very constructive and useful task for Easti.
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Steve, You are right about there being lots of hand netting material sent to Ferdinand by Mary Middlebrook. Ferdinand is still giving it away to collectors that he has worked with in both the Philippines and Indonesia.

There have been at least two recent articles (TFH, Coral) written by MAC personnel describing the fact that the collectors in Indonesia cannot obtain hand netting material. They apparently go to great time and effort to weave netting to make hand nets. The problem with this is that the hand nets they create have knots. Small fish like green chromis get damaged by the knots in the hand nets.

Perhaps this is an area where EASTI can help the collectors at villages trained by the MAC.

Peter

Well since Ferdie was part of many of those trainings at one point, he should know exactly where they all are and who to talk to there

Do you know what else knots do Peter? There's another reason, but it's really hasn't been posted here on RDO

 

[clarionreef]

9 years on the job to fix our little fish collection problem and still didn't figure out what to collect fish with.

Thats indicative of some very serious issues about some of todays "eco-gravy train/village avoiding/deskbound culture."
They need like an eco Re-hab or something.