So will anything come out of MO '04?

[Anonymous]

Vitz,

Good posts. I'm getting tired of what I perceive to be the netless fisherman myth. When netting is sent we find out that all of the fisherfolks that were net trained in the past have moved out of country to greener pastures...

-Lee

 

[clarionreef]

Oh my goodness Lee,
The dozens of guys trained and moved out to other countries by US importers and supplied with outside nets are few compared to the 3 thousand or so left behind and still in need of the right nets.
The MSI net fund was for handnetting material. There still is no good barrier net material. That one cost 13K for the minimum run out of Taiwan and has yet to be secured.
The two materials together are what is needed for divers to be fully prepared for any kind of fish. [as has been explained many times before].
I understand you are confused. Don't worry, you have plenty of company. MAC folks are confused as well trying to understand why the tools are important and why there are differences in them.
Two kinds of nets! Two kinds of nets!
Oh, its so hard to remember!
AMDAs NET FUND was stalled when the CORL/AMDA/MAC peace plan was unilaterally scuttled by MAC. Without a training scenario, the need to achieve the minimum run of nets from Taiwan became less urgent.
Becoming more or less confused now?
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Lee

i think the main point is that nothing, including netting, by itself, and as a stand alone fix, is the sole answer.

what's needed, imo, is a combination of things, among which are netting, and creating a 'vertically integrated/oriented' infrastructure that will ensure the continued use of the netting, by those trained to use it, in the future, along w/some social responsibility from the native peoples of the area, as well, to their own future

there may be other things needed as well, but imo- those are the cornerstones

i think that not sending netting is a bad idea

i also think that just sending netting,training diivers and leaving it at that is a bad idea

 

[Anonymous]

i also think that just sending netting,training diivers and leaving it at that is a bad idea

So does every body else, or at least those whom have spoken with around here. No one ever said, "train em, gift em and ditch em" was a viable option.

 

[clarionreef]

Huh?
Train em and ditch em ? Hmmm... an interesting proposition, but I've never heard it advanced by anyone.
Thats a false construct to make it easy enough for even the simplest thinking to counter.
After so many years of experimenting with training with no nets or the wrong nets, we are now to advance to a strategy of solving the great injustices inherent in the system first...and training only after all that accomplished?
I am writing it down....
Stop net training until we can accomplish the United Nations agenda first.

1st] Put a million or so into social justice action per village...stop all corruption at all levels.

2nd] create a vertically integrated system of dealing with with the divers in an economically fair way. Force all buyers to pay them more.

3rd] resolve all the other environmental issues as to not to bother the reefs... as we save them from us

4th] Insure sustainability thru serious scientific attention and

5th] Do this everwhere you want a few fish from...


OK, I agree. Forget net training to get divers legal and improve things quickly.
Now we need 20 million dollars and 12 years or so.
Why stop there? Surely this can be complicated and larded on futher.
Meanwhile we lose what was left.
Pseudo-intellectual fiddle faddling around while 'Rome' burns sounds like a wonderful way to go!
No work and no progress until the benevolent millionaires show up to support this gravy train, I mean this wholistic approach!
Holding futher progress in the reform of the trade hostage to 'the following conditions' of all the social, economic and justice issues would be a neat trick if we could do it. However, I fear that the response to the trade would be to ignore this hostage taking and shift focus elsewhere.
If net training alone was never supported by the trade, what makes anyone think a new world order will be?
Steve
By the way. Will the Philippines own Bureau of Fisheries ever do anything to help? They have local offices and extention services. They have a law enforcement division and run 'labs'.

 

[Douglas S Lehman]

Hello eveyone
As a life long hobbiest the story of P.I, /S.E. Asian fish collection by substandard methods is sickening. I do what I can do, and talk to those who will listen. Just don't buy fish that (could) originate from there. I have not bought a juiced fish in over a years time. I like to get em used if I can.
All I know is if it were an easy fix, P.I. would have been cleaned up years ago. Sometimes you have to help yourself, if no one else will.