Good or Bad?

[clarionreef]

Oh yes,
Totoaba and paddlefish shipping for home aquariums has just got to stop.
Steve
PS. Totoaba is a 5-6 foot croaker from Northern Sea of Cortez

 

[Anonymous]

I guess the answer is NEITHER!!!

 

[clarionreef]

And of course,
The worlds biggest catfish, the Mekong Deltas pangasianodon gigas...
just had em on sale last week.
Steve
ps. SERIOUSLY, OUT OF 20,000 SPECIES OF FISH ON THE PLANET, THAT IS A PRETTY SMALL LIST AND MOSTLY FOR THE FOOD FISH TRADE ...and freshwater trade at that!
Our trade sabatoges habitat but try as it will, species depletion is difficult as they drift larvally so far and wide.
Steve

 

[naesco]

Here you go;


CLASS ACTINOPTERYGII
(FISH)
ACIPENSERIFORMES Paddlefish, sturgeons
ACIPENSERIFORMES spp. (Except the species included in Appendix I)
Acipenseridae Sturgeons
Acipenser brevirostrum
Acipenser sturio
OSTEOGLOSSIFORMES
Osteoglossidae Arapaima, bonytongue
Arapaima gigas
Scleropages formosus
CYPRINIFORMES
Cyprinidae Blind carps, plaeesok
Caecobarbus geertsi
Probarbus jullieni
Catostomidae Cui-ui
Chasmistes cujus
SILURIFORMES
Pangasiidae Pangasid catfish
Pangasianodon gigas
SYNGNATHIFORMES
Syngnathidae Pipefishes, seahorses
Hippocampus spp. (Enters into effect on 15 May 2004)
PERCIFORMES
Sciaenidae Totoaba
Totoaba macdonaldi
CLASS SARCOPTERYGII
(LUNGFISHES)
COELACANTHIFORMES
Latimeriidae Coelacanths
Latimeria spp.
CERATODONTIFORMES
Ceratodontidae Australian lungfish
Neoceratodus forsteri
P H Y L U M E C H I N O D E R M A T A
CLASS HOLOTHUROIDEA
(SEA CUCUMBERS)
ASPIDOCHIROTIDA
Stichopodidae Sea cucumbers
Isostichopus fuscus (Ecuador)

You mean I was right and Mary was wrong.
You mean I was right and Gesham (you better be female )was wrong.
You mena I was right and Vitzwas wrong.
Right!

The Great Easter Bunny in the sky granted me my wish. Having the RDO (check to see if anyone makes an error and call him a liar, idyet or an uniformed hobbyist crew) apologize because they made a mistake is something I will wait up all night checking my email for.

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... 158#468158

 

[clarionreef]

Wayne,
Its a freshwater list!
If you gotta leave the ocean to go find something to save face with...its suggests a pretty weak case.
This is Reefs.org, not rivers.org.
With few exceptions, its a freshwater list!
Mainly seahorses and pipefish which are banned soon anyhow!
Hail victory? What victory?
Steve

 

[naesco]

Wayne,
Its a freshwater list!
If you gotta leave the ocean to go find something to save face with...its suggests a pretty weak case.
This is Reefs.org, not rivers.org.
With few exceptions, its a freshwater list!
Mainly seahorses and pipefish which are banned soon anyhow!
Hail victory? What victory?
Steve

Mary posted.
It's this quote that leads me to believe you don't have a clue about CITES. The only fish I know that are CITES listed are the recently added seahorses. Fish aren't CITES protected, Wayne.

and Gresham posted

If you all ready knew CITES didn't deal with fish, why'd you post the above quote? You can't speak out of all your holes at once, it comes out unclear

and he further posted in reply to Vitz's post

and please stop coming on to me I'm straight.

Ladies and Gentlemen: A fish is a fish.

 

[PeterIMA]

On my way to the airport to fly to Hawaii (for the MO conference), I was picked up by a taxi driver at my home. Somehow we got to discussing the cyanide fishing problem. He mentioned that he had been breeding seahorses. Then he mentioned (quite casually) that he had a friend in LA breeding leafy sea dragons. There are others in the states trying to breed golden arowanas. So, while I doubt that Kalk met a guy on a plane with a leafy seadragon sticking out of his shirt, it would not surprise me that some might have been in his carry on luggage (illegally imported).

Peter

 

[MaryHM]

Good grief Wayne. You get more and more ridiculous with every post. Since we are talking about THE MARINE ORNAMENTAL INDUSTRY, I spoke to the fish that are listed that are common to the MARINE ORNAMENTAL INDUSTRY- seahorses. I really could care less if a paddlefish, sturgeon, etc... is listed on CITES because IT DOES NOT PERTAIN TO A DISCUSSION OF MARINE ORNAMENTAL HOBBYISTS NOT BRINGING FISH BACK WITH THEM BECAUSE OF CITES RESTRICTIONS. Name me one fish on there, Wayne- other than seahorses/pipes- that is "saved" from vacationing hobbyists solely because of their listing on CITES. Name it. Then you can declare yourself right and me wrong.

 

[clarionreef]

Psssst Wayne,
Tell her ...the coelacanth...
Its a saltwater fish...and has no place in the home aquarium.
Steve

 

[MaryHM]

Prior to leaving I was informed by Fish and Canadian Wildlife Service which handles the CITES (at least for hobbyists) that in order for me to bring in certain listed coral, I would need a CITES permit which would not be possible obtain from non-CITES conforming countries.
It had nothing to do with import/export or permits otherwise I could bring in stuff from the states easily.
If this is not the case, I was misinformed

In my experience, most if not all countries (even the Non-CITES participants) require export documentation. And also in my experience, importing countries require import licenses. This paperwork has absolutely nothing to do with CITES. CITES is just one of the pieces of paperwork involved in import/export.

It had nothing to do with import/export or permits otherwise I could bring in stuff from the states easily.

Are you saying that if it wasn't for CITES, that you could bring stuff in from the United States to Canada easily?

 

[mkirda]

Psssst Wayne,
Tell her ...the coelacanth...
Its a saltwater fish...and has no place in the home aquarium.
Steve

Steve,

Don't you think that any hobbyist who can dive down to 350 feet and bring a three to four foot fish back to the surface alive deserves to take it home with him and put it in his 55 gallon aquarium?

Joking, of course...

Mike

 

[clarionreef]

Actually Mike,
I agree that anyone who can catch a live coelacanth should be able to bring it back...
Then everyone will suddenly value it more...
and blow the whistle...
become greener then thou....
and have a cause...
and get on a soapbox to...er rise above others...and 'be somebody!'

Seriously, environmental motives rooted in social loneliness and feelings of inconsequence generally do not serve the environment well.
We need people who are not just lone wolves, shooting stars and loose cannons...
but people who can work together, support each other and set aside dogmas long enough to listen to others.
Fighting only with allies...for lack of the courage and commitment to fight against real plunderers is a bad sign.
It takes little spunk to spar w/ your own.
Wayne...stop fighting with people who really care.
Challenge Kalk to a duel and let the best lone wolf win!
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Psssst Wayne,
Tell her ...the coelacanth...
Its a saltwater fish...and has no place in the home aquarium.
Steve

Dang! So much for my 55 gallon "living fossils of the deep" tank.

Sulk, sulk...

 

[clarionreef]

A MOVEMENT IS BORN... :idea:
Ban wildcaught coelacanths...ban wildcaught coelacanths!
Support tank raised!
Save the... er...coral reefs!
Give us money!
Support Project Coelacanth!
Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Steve,

Too late. Someone has already taken up the cause.

http://www.dinofish.com/

-Lee

 

[clarionreef]

8O
Steve
ps.
:?

 

[JennM]

Well crap. I just set up a 1000-gallon coelacanth biotope. Oh well :roll:

Somebody locally told me some months back that they had an aquaintance breeding sea dragons locally - and I inquired whether they really meant seahorses or pipefishes... (both of which I've managed to breed and had minor success in rearing)... no, they meant sea dragons, and they pointed to a photo in a book of a weedy. Methinks that might have been an illegal alien too But more power to her if she's breeding them successfully... but God help her if the authorities find out

I can't bring my dog or cat across the border without reams of paperwork with vaccinations etc., and there are quarantine laws for birds and small mammals etc., so I have a hard time believing that people can import/export any quantity of corals/fishes without consequences -- I've heard stories of unsophisticated customs agents not knowing what the person has in the foam box, but those were pre-9/11 and something tells me it's a bit harder to pull the wool over anyone's eyes anymore -- but that's just a hunch on my part.

Oh and BTW Wayne... Gresham has a sexy phone voice but I'm quite sure he's not your type.

Jenn

 

[Anonymous]

Oh and BTW Wayne... Gresham has a sexy phone voice but I'm quite sure he's not your type.

LOL, I tried to tell him that Jenn. He just got embarrased and said it was Vitz.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh and BTW Wayne... Gresham has a sexy phone voice but I'm quite sure he's not your type.

LOL, I tried to tell him that Jenn. He just got embarrased and said it was Vitz.

hey!

i've been told by quite a few women that i give VERY good phone 8O

:lol: