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ROFL :lol:
See Wayne, Vitz is straight too, sorry.
See Wayne, Vitz is straight too, sorry.
MaryHM":323cdm8d said:
The answer is (beating of the drums) coelacanth.
I hereby declare that I was right and Mary was wrong.
On the CITES questions relative to Canada I checked the Canadian Wildlife Service and found the following.
Using the seahorse as an example:
In order for me to import this I must have a CITES permit from the exporting country with the fish. There is no other requirement for permits.
In the case of freshwater fish because the fish might take residence in the pristine waters of our country and affect healthy robust studly Canadian fish, the heath authorities would need a permit.
On the commerical side there may be issues that I am not aware of.
If the fish/coral/greens are under I of the CITES list in addition to the esport permit the Canadian government requires a permit from them as well allowing the import.
So what was the point again?
Is it warm in here?
:lol:
I had a customer, many years ago, who told me the same thing: "You give good phone"! I nearly died laughing.
I've never talked to Vitz on the phone, but perhaps now I need to give him a call.... 8)
Bottom line, I don't think it will make a huge difference in the future of the seahorse, given that TCM and the curio trade take far more than the aquarium hobby, and many hobbyists are turning to captive raised specimens because they are healthier, hardier & easier to feed.
Jenn
Is it warm in here?
:lol:I had a customer, many years ago, who told me the same thing: "You give good phone"! I nearly died laughing.
I've never talked to Vitz on the phone, but perhaps now I need to give him a call.... 8)
Bottom line, I don't think it will make a huge difference in the future of the seahorse, given that TCM and the curio trade take far more than the aquarium hobby, and many hobbyists are turning to captive raised specimens because they are healthier, hardier & easier to feed.
Jenn
Well thats odd cuz when all us wholesalers pull our CITES permits, our exporters had all rady done the same thing (that would make an export permit as well as an import permit). We don't deal in CITES article I animals like pandas, elephants and gorillas, we only deal in CITES article II corals, period.
GreshamH":57ebj5t8 said:
I am sorry I don't undertand.
If you import a coral under Appendix II from Indonesia what CITES permits are required in the US?
Any other permits?
Any other levys?
Appendix I would cover a situation where a Canadian breeder of an appendix I animal wanted to import a US bred animal to make baby appendix I animals. Nashville defeated Detroit 3 zip. In that case, permits from both countries would be required.
Oh my god, Wayne. You really just don't have a clue in the world, do you?
No one is importing Appendix I animals for the marine ornamental trade, Wayne. Can't happen. Of course, you know this since you're so well versed on CITES, right? :roll:
I have no experience with Appendix I permits, since as already stated it is impossible to import those animals for the MO trade so why we're even bothering to discuss it is beyond me. Guess it falls under the rule of talking about fish on Appendix II that are about as pertinent to the conversation as CITES protected pandas.... There is no such thing as an export CITES and an import CITES existing as two separate pieces of paperwork for Appendix II animals. The country of origin issues the CITES permit. Have you ever even seen a CITES permit, Wayne?
Understatement of the century. Let me try to explain.
What do you mean by "what" CITES permits are required? A CITES permit is required. And since you've already stated how well you've researched CITES, why do you even need to ask?
Export permits from the country of origin, importer must have an import license here in the states. Would be great for a Canadian importer to chime in- do you guys need import licenses?
No levys on this side. You pay for an inspection and custom clearance.
Can we please stick to discussing CITES as it pertains to the industry? That only makes sense. Discussing Appendix I animals and a bunch of Appendix II fish that have never even been considered for the hobby is ridiculous and a waste of time. If you have to dig that deep to try to prove someone is wrong, then you have too much time on your hands. I deal with CITES permits every week of my life, Wayne. For the past 5+ years. How many have you dealt with? How many shipments have you imported? The obvious answer is none. There's a point where someone is trying to learn and then there's a point where they're just being obnoxious. You dipped into the later a looooooooong time ago. Remember when I used to spend hours with you on the phone trying to educate you? What a waste. You have your agenda and you have your mind already made up- even though you make it appallingly clear that you know NOTHING every time you post.
No one is importing Appendix I animals for the marine ornamental trade, Wayne. Can't happen. Of course, you know this since you're so well versed on CITES, right? :roll:
I have no experience with Appendix I permits, since as already stated it is impossible to import those animals for the MO trade so why we're even bothering to discuss it is beyond me. Guess it falls under the rule of talking about fish on Appendix II that are about as pertinent to the conversation as CITES protected pandas.... There is no such thing as an export CITES and an import CITES existing as two separate pieces of paperwork for Appendix II animals. The country of origin issues the CITES permit. Have you ever even seen a CITES permit, Wayne?
Understatement of the century. Let me try to explain.
What do you mean by "what" CITES permits are required? A CITES permit is required. And since you've already stated how well you've researched CITES, why do you even need to ask?
Export permits from the country of origin, importer must have an import license here in the states. Would be great for a Canadian importer to chime in- do you guys need import licenses?
No levys on this side. You pay for an inspection and custom clearance.
Can we please stick to discussing CITES as it pertains to the industry? That only makes sense. Discussing Appendix I animals and a bunch of Appendix II fish that have never even been considered for the hobby is ridiculous and a waste of time. If you have to dig that deep to try to prove someone is wrong, then you have too much time on your hands. I deal with CITES permits every week of my life, Wayne. For the past 5+ years. How many have you dealt with? How many shipments have you imported? The obvious answer is none. There's a point where someone is trying to learn and then there's a point where they're just being obnoxious. You dipped into the later a looooooooong time ago. Remember when I used to spend hours with you on the phone trying to educate you? What a waste. You have your agenda and you have your mind already made up- even though you make it appallingly clear that you know NOTHING every time you post.
As someone whom is quite consummate with intentional trolling, I find this some of the worst trolling I have ever come across............PLEASE, NAESCO! Start a new thread topic or something! Your giving trolls worldwide a bad reputation........ :wink:vitz":120mdeth said:
Troller is looking for a response...ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone...ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless - practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters.
MaryHM":3msqb228 said:
http://www.cites.ec.gc.ca/eng/sct3/index_e.cfm
The above citation is where Canadian hobbyists get info on CITES.
Based on the above I brought back fish with me but no coral. No import permit of any kind was required.
It is you who are being obnoxious. Although you claimed that you are the expert on CITES the fact is that you are not. You simply know what is required for your business and nothing else.
naesco":2je0z9da said:
http://www.cites.ec.gc.ca/eng/sct3/index_e.cfm
The above citation is where Canadian hobbyists get info on CITES.
Based on the above I brought back fish with me from Taiwan but no coral. No import permit of any kind was required.
Mary, it is you who is being obnoxious.
Although you claimed that you are the expert on CITES the fact is that you are not. You simply know what is required for your business and nothing else.
Take my advice. Please read through this thread. I think you will agree with me when I say what we both know. It is time Mary for you to take a break from this board.
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