Member Hosted Event Rules

[jerl77]

dude i love you if that helps heal the pain:inlove:

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I never said I was cool, I'm a bit of a dork. I said I never had beef with any of you guys nor pretty much anyone on this site or in "real life" either. I know enough and that is not hearsay that I have heard from people but stuff that was pieced together by me. I am smart enough and have enough information to make my own conclusions. I could be wrong but I suppose time will tell.

James

 

[Staaan]

i dont get the whole
No auctions, no raffles
i think these are great things too do get coral cheap and helps pay for the cost of the party at 25 people we should be allowed to do this jmo

I couldn't agree more with you.

However.. I would like the reasoning behind this.

For instance... if I put one of my own corals up for auction, where is there harm or some kind of ilegal activity going on?

If its my coral and I'd like to sell it. Maybe auctioning it off will guarantee a sale. Rather then posting it up on the marketplace and dealing with the infamous, numerously mentioned flakers.

I'd really just like some clarification on the reasoning which led to this rule being created... it doesn't make sense to me.

 

[jerl77]

hate dealing with the infamous, numerously mentioned flakers.
dude trust me i am coming oh ya i dont have a paypal account

 

[jerl77]

but rules are rules

 

[beerfish]

For instance... if I put one of my own corals up for auction, where is there harm or some kind of ilegal activity going on?

No one is saying you can't auction a coral. Ebay is designed specifically for that. MR is saying that auctions are against the site rules, and that you can't use the site as a platform for auctioning a coral in person, or on the site.

If you owned a store and I came in and started telling all of your customers that I was having a meeting to sell the same stuff in your store at cheaper auction prices, do you think that I would be in the right?

MR has vendors that pay to sell their goods on this site. While I can't speak for all of them, the ones that I deal with generally care a great deal about the hobby and give back when they can. Setting up auctions on their turf is no different than walking in to a store and poaching customers.

 

[KathyC]

No one is saying you can't auction a coral. Ebay is designed specifically for that. MR is saying that auctions are against the site rules, and that you can't use the site as a platform for auctioning a coral in person, or on the site.

If you owned a store and I came in and started telling all of your customers that I was having a meeting to sell the same stuff in your store at cheaper auction prices, do you think that I would be in the right?

MR has vendors that pay to sell their goods on this site. While I can't speak for all of them, the ones that I deal with generally care a great deal about the hobby and give back when they can. Setting up auctions on their turf is no different than walking in to a store and poaching customers.

Thank you Eric, you explained that so clearly that most anyone can understand why that is an issue.

 

[Staaan]

No one is saying you can't auction a coral. Ebay is designed specifically for that. MR is saying that auctions are against the site rules, and that you can't use the site as a platform for auctioning a coral in person, or on the site.

If you owned a store and I came in and started telling all of your customers that I was having a meeting to sell the same stuff in your store at cheaper auction prices, do you think that I would be in the right?

MR has vendors that pay to sell their goods on this site. While I can't speak for all of them, the ones that I deal with generally care a great deal about the hobby and give back when they can. Setting up auctions on their turf is no different than walking in to a store and poaching customers.

Thanks for the clarification.

However regarding this issue of... auctioning.

I notice many people (including my self) have used the term best offer.

To me (and a few people I consulted with) the "BO" or best offer basically entails that any offer which is better than previous offers will be accepted. (I'm sure most know, but just for those who don't)

Isn't that sort of like an auction too?

Is this allowed?

 

[prattreef]

Thanks for the clarification.

However regarding this issue of... auctioning.

I notice many people (including my self) have used the term best offer.

To me (and a few people I consulted with) the "BO" or best offer basically entails that any offer which is better than previous offers will be accepted. (I'm sure most know, but just for those who don't)

Isn't that sort of like an auction too?

Is this allowed?

From the site rules:

Best Offer: The moderators reserve the right to delete posts where the seller appears to have no intention of actually selling the items.

 

[OzoneParkGuy]

EXAMPLE ONLY!!

Manhattan Reefs does not permit Events without Administration approval prior to posting.

So post should read as follows after approval, and posted in the Correct Section.

OzoneParkGuy's Meet & Reef#1 (Estimated Crowd Large 50+)
88-666 166 Ave
Ozone Park, NY. 16666

MR is in no way shape or form Hosting this Event and therefore is not Liable for it's contents.

Any and all Vendors who wish to attend, please contact me via PM.
(If no specific Vendors can attended... then you can request say Gotham Aquatics, or Saltwater Critters, depending on locale and convienence of specific Vendor). All sales from said specific vendor must be made on that vendors forum.

Anyone who is attending and wishes to sell or trade items please post ON MY THREAD ONLY. (NOT IN THE FOR SALE SECTION OF MR)

10:00AM Start..
10:30AM Regional Reef Locations and where most of our corals come from.
11:30AM Smoke Break
11:40AM Name that Fish
12:00PM Lunch (May or not be provided by MR)
1:00PM Fragging Demo's(Zoa's, SPS & LPS)
2:00PM Coral Swapping
3:00PM End

ADMISSION IS FREE!!!!!

 

[marrone]

Thanks for the clarification.

However regarding this issue of... auctioning.

I notice many people (including my self) have used the term best offer.

To me (and a few people I consulted with) the "BO" or best offer basically entails that any offer which is better than previous offers will be accepted. (I'm sure most know, but just for those who don't)

Isn't that sort of like an auction too?

Is this allowed?

You still have to list a price, and usually posting "or best offer" doesn't get you a higher price, as you would during an auction. For the most part people put "or best offer" because they just want to move the item at that time.

 

[KathyC]

The purpose of this thread was to announce a set of rules and to ask for member input or suggestions.

Please keep comments that do not offer suggestions or useful discussion of the topic off the thread, or they will be deleted at our discretion.

 

[Staaan]

I know about listing a price. Thanks though.

However...

I have several times attempted to buy things from members, and the Best Offer has usually ended up in a bidding war basically.

Half the time you don't even know if the seller is really receiving actual bids.. and is just jerking you around...

And Prattreef... I'm assuming that "no intention of selling" is defined as a For Sale post that has been dragged on? How can a moderator know if indeed a sale is just being dragged on... in the attempt to scrape up every single dime and nickel?

 

[jay1335]

the purpose of this thread was to announce a set of rules and to ask for member input or suggestions.

Please keep comments that do not offer suggestions or useful discussion of the topic off the thread, or they will be deleted at our discretion.

thank you!!!!!!!

 

[Josh]

Anyone who is attending and wishes to sell or trade items please post ON MY THREAD ONLY. (NOT IN THE FOR SALE SECTION OF MR)

You can sell items in the For Sale section. What we are doing is making sure there are not multiple events threads for selling on the homepage. We only do that with our swaps because the selling/trading takes over the whole site.

50+ people is certainly extreme. You are going to have to work with a moderator to organize it. MR would provide assistance with food/drink/snacks as has been the case in the past.

 

[jay1335]

I am just making sure I have this right. So for a group/meet/event, whatever you wanna call it, wants to do a "group buy" for said event is it ok for the vendor to deliver the group buy to the event location? Assuming mods have been contacted and approval has been given and there is no selling or exchange of money at said event......
and if this is approved is this to be posted in the event thread or in the vendors thread?

I think this is a VERY good starting point!! Im sure it will change as different issues come up. The only issue I see as of right now is.....
Why are there different regulations per the size of the group? I say this because it makes it a little tougher for the organizers. For example with the westchester event that just happened.....We had 15+ scheduled to come, but we had under 10 there. So we would have fallen into the medium group originally and then only been a small group. This could also be negative from mr's side as well. What if you guys had supplied food for a 15+ event and it actually turned out to be a small event? Its also difficult to figure out how many you are going to have there before the event actually happens. Maybe try thinking about changing it to event type instead of size.
For example:
Maybe a meeting at someones house falls under a certain set of rules. Then a event where you went to a zoo, aquarium ect has a diff set. Then a member only frag swap has a diff set. It might be easier to regulate the size. Maybe say this type of event is allowed this many slots for attendance.

Can a mod and/or josh comment on the vendor delivering part of this post? Thanks

 

[marrone]

I have several times attempted to buy things from members, and the Best Offer has usually ended up in a bidding war basically.

Half the time you don't even know if the seller is really receiving actual bids.. and is just jerking you around...

This is something that I never heard of, and more people usually don't put "or best offer" until the item isn't selling. As for a bidding war, well most people usually just want to move the item, so maybe it's true but I would say it's more the exception than the norm. As for the seller jerking you around, well if he lists something for one price, and then wants more, you can and should post that, and contact a Mod over it.

And Prattreef... I'm assuming that "no intention of selling" is defined as a For Sale post that has been dragged on? How can a moderator know if indeed a sale is just being dragged on... in the attempt to scrape up every single dime and nickel?

I'll answer this for Prattreef, all for sale threads must have prices, they can't be listed as "best offer" or "I'm gauging interest". The person selling must must want to sell the item, otherwise the thread will be deleted.

 

[OzoneParkGuy]

You can sell items in the For Sale section. What we are doing is making sure there are not multiple events threads for selling on the homepage. We only do that with our swaps because the selling/trading takes over the whole site.

Could understand that....

 

[Staaan]

This is something that I never heard of, and more people usually don't put "or best offer" until the item isn't selling. As for a bidding war, well most people usually just want to move the item, so maybe it's true but I would say it's more the exception than the norm. As for the seller jerking you around, well if he lists something for one price, and then wants more, you can and should post that, and contact a Mod over it.



I'll answer this for Prattreef, all for sale threads must have prices, they can't be listed as "best offer" or "I'm gauging interest". The person selling must must want to sell the item, otherwise the thread will be deleted.

Thanks for the response M.

However what I think I need to clarify about my "jerking" around post - theres kind of no way to really know if you are infact being jerked around. I'm not saying a seller is stating one price and then simply asking for more.

The seller is responding with the announcement that there has been a higher "bid" made. How do you know if there really in fact has been a higher bid made?

I have not only dealt with this here, but on craigslist it seems to be a common practice. (Not entirely relevant, just trying to showcase that the intent of a "best offer" is not always to just indicate that the buyer is willing to negotiate a lower price if need be.)

 

[Josh]

Can a mod and/or josh comment on the vendor delivering part of this post? Thanks

A vendor can deliver the products to a get together, but just those products that were in the group buy. They can't show up with the products and then set up a table.

 

[Chraddam]

In light of the recent events here on this site(bans, suspensions, rumors, innuendo and backtalking) I think someone has to say it. COULD WE PLEASE JUST MOVE ON. This entire situation has been blown completely out of proportion and control and has made reasonable rational people act completely out of character. I have spoken to EVERYONE involved and there is waaaaaaaaay too much to solve with a simple PM or RB or a post. You all know exactly what I am referring to. I deal with most of you on a regular basis, and I really think there needs to be a time-out and regrouping, because MR has NEVER been about ugly, it has always been a COMMUNITY.